1 00:00:26,970 --> 00:00:11,150 [Music] 2 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:30,069 hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin 3 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:33,010 will assure host and we have a nother 4 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:36,530 another European guests this evening we 5 00:00:41,770 --> 00:00:38,930 have someone from the UK and his name is 6 00:00:44,439 --> 00:00:41,780 Jason Gleaves and he's been researching 7 00:00:45,729 --> 00:00:44,449 UFO photos and videos and things and 8 00:00:47,950 --> 00:00:45,739 we're gonna be talking about that and 9 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:47,960 his background should be a good show 10 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:50,570 Alejandro Rojas cannot make it I think 11 00:00:55,539 --> 00:00:52,850 he said he's in Las Vegas he's 12 00:00:58,570 --> 00:00:55,549 interviewing he's interviewing an 13 00:01:00,280 --> 00:00:58,580 astronaut so he said he said he had a 14 00:01:01,630 --> 00:01:00,290 full schedule today just couldn't make 15 00:01:04,630 --> 00:01:01,640 it so hey 16 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:04,640 so in that case I'm gonna say if 17 00:01:07,330 --> 00:01:06,170 anyone's a live listener and they just 18 00:01:10,780 --> 00:01:07,340 want to call in and talk about a 19 00:01:12,789 --> 00:01:10,790 sighting you're welcome to do that and 20 00:01:17,859 --> 00:01:12,799 we're going to put the number up on the 21 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:17,869 screen I'll give that number out just I 22 00:01:21,249 --> 00:01:19,610 should have been prepared but I don't 23 00:01:25,540 --> 00:01:21,259 have it up there right now so that 24 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:25,550 number is 603 967 403 Oh if you'd like 25 00:01:29,620 --> 00:01:27,410 to call in and talk about a sighting if 26 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:29,630 not I have a couple of sightings that I 27 00:01:35,740 --> 00:01:31,970 want to talk about on my podcast UFO 28 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:35,750 comm page we have a sightings page and 29 00:01:39,820 --> 00:01:38,450 it's anonymous I'll get back to that but 30 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shows 44 00:02:20,229 --> 00:02:18,440 are first recorded live on YouTube and 45 00:02:22,149 --> 00:02:20,239 then made into an audio podcast that's 46 00:02:25,780 --> 00:02:22,159 how that goes again I want to thank 47 00:02:27,339 --> 00:02:25,790 everyone that supports the show and if 48 00:02:31,119 --> 00:02:27,349 anyone wants to call in you're listening 49 00:02:34,330 --> 00:02:31,129 live talk about a sighting you can call 50 00:02:38,410 --> 00:02:34,340 now 603 nine six seven four 51 00:02:40,510 --> 00:02:38,420 300 is the number so on podcast UFO 52 00:02:42,850 --> 00:02:40,520 before I invite our guests I just wanted 53 00:02:45,309 --> 00:02:42,860 to talk about I have this page called 54 00:02:49,210 --> 00:02:45,319 the UFO sightings page and I also have 55 00:02:52,030 --> 00:02:49,220 an anonymous forum that anyone can fill 56 00:02:56,500 --> 00:02:52,040 out you don't have to remain anonymous 57 00:02:58,479 --> 00:02:56,510 but you have that option so anyway it's 58 00:03:00,309 --> 00:02:58,489 getting pretty active we're having a 59 00:03:02,770 --> 00:03:00,319 number of sightings and we have a great 60 00:03:06,180 --> 00:03:02,780 video that just came up that's in 61 00:03:10,180 --> 00:03:06,190 Everett Washington happened back in 62 00:03:12,759 --> 00:03:10,190 mid-march and check the video out if you 63 00:03:14,530 --> 00:03:12,769 go to our website it's really really 64 00:03:18,430 --> 00:03:14,540 interesting can't quite figure out what 65 00:03:20,920 --> 00:03:18,440 that is we also have a sighting up 66 00:03:22,949 --> 00:03:20,930 someone's calling in they did call in it 67 00:03:25,570 --> 00:03:22,959 looks like they hung up try again 68 00:03:27,270 --> 00:03:25,580 that numbers on the screen now so you 69 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:27,280 can see that number on the screen I 70 00:03:33,100 --> 00:03:29,690 don't know if you hung up or you got cut 71 00:03:36,490 --> 00:03:33,110 off but do try calling back so we also 72 00:03:38,949 --> 00:03:36,500 have a sighting someone posted and that 73 00:03:42,030 --> 00:03:38,959 it's strange lights in Victoria in 74 00:03:44,470 --> 00:03:42,040 Australia and there's a picture there 75 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:44,480 also it's a great looking really 76 00:03:50,979 --> 00:03:47,690 weird-looking picture and check that out 77 00:03:52,809 --> 00:03:50,989 we have rectangle UFOs and then we have 78 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:52,819 a person talking about his grandfather's 79 00:03:59,710 --> 00:03:55,850 in encounter he was part of the five-o 80 00:04:01,900 --> 00:03:59,720 9th Bomb Group and want Roswell that's 81 00:04:03,670 --> 00:04:01,910 not when he's had the the sighting but 82 00:04:06,849 --> 00:04:03,680 he was just making a note that he was 83 00:04:10,330 --> 00:04:06,859 also we have an Ontario Canada sighting 84 00:04:11,770 --> 00:04:10,340 and a lot of great ones so I hope you 85 00:04:14,470 --> 00:04:11,780 check that out it's again it's on 86 00:04:17,289 --> 00:04:14,480 podcast UFO comm and you're welcome to 87 00:04:19,390 --> 00:04:17,299 post your sightings there well if the 88 00:04:21,699 --> 00:04:19,400 caller doesn't try to call me back I'm 89 00:04:24,790 --> 00:04:21,709 going to go ahead and introduce our 90 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:24,800 guest so I'll give you a couple seconds 91 00:04:31,210 --> 00:04:29,090 here that is really all I can think of 92 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:31,220 to talk about it's been kind of a slow 93 00:04:37,330 --> 00:04:34,850 week I was on Alejandro's show the other 94 00:04:39,969 --> 00:04:37,340 day and we were talking about you know 95 00:04:42,820 --> 00:04:39,979 sightings lately and not too much going 96 00:04:44,500 --> 00:04:42,830 on so I don't even know what he would 97 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:44,510 talk about actually to be honest with 98 00:04:48,070 --> 00:04:46,849 you if he came on the show so anyway we 99 00:04:51,939 --> 00:04:48,080 are ready to 100 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:51,949 bring on our guest he actually was in as 101 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:54,530 they say in England he was in the 102 00:05:02,469 --> 00:04:56,930 military he was in the Royal Air Force 103 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:02,479 in 1986 he went in at 17 years of age he 104 00:05:05,619 --> 00:05:04,250 had a sighting two young we're gonna 105 00:05:09,429 --> 00:05:05,629 talk about that welcome to the show 106 00:05:14,260 --> 00:05:09,439 Jason can you hear me Jason like them 107 00:05:18,010 --> 00:05:14,270 yeah you forgot to i'm object hi welcome 108 00:05:20,559 --> 00:05:18,020 to the show and it's like one o'clock in 109 00:05:24,909 --> 00:05:20,569 the morning for you so thank you so much 110 00:05:27,700 --> 00:05:24,919 for for a staying awake yeah okay thank 111 00:05:29,830 --> 00:05:27,710 you for inviting me out sure and your 112 00:05:32,230 --> 00:05:29,840 book what inspired you to write your 113 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:32,240 your book is this all about the research 114 00:05:38,969 --> 00:05:35,330 you've been doing lately yet basically 115 00:05:42,519 --> 00:05:38,979 result of them the next step after I 116 00:05:47,019 --> 00:05:42,529 brought out UFO pages on Facebook and 117 00:05:49,510 --> 00:05:47,029 Twitter and all different media it was 118 00:05:52,719 --> 00:05:49,520 just really the natural progression on 119 00:05:54,309 --> 00:05:52,729 which to bring out a book barely of the 120 00:05:58,119 --> 00:05:54,319 analysis that I do on different 121 00:06:01,089 --> 00:05:58,129 photographs so a lot of your work was 122 00:06:04,719 --> 00:06:01,099 started on Facebook you have a Facebook 123 00:06:06,159 --> 00:06:04,729 page and it's basically called what you 124 00:06:10,019 --> 00:06:06,169 call everything else and what's that 125 00:06:13,149 --> 00:06:10,029 called again UFO what UF only that's 126 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:13,159 it's basically on all the different 127 00:06:18,249 --> 00:06:16,610 formats and I really went onto Facebook 128 00:06:23,290 --> 00:06:18,259 because you can reach more people that 129 00:06:25,959 --> 00:06:23,300 way amazing isn't it and our page has 130 00:06:27,850 --> 00:06:25,969 something like 22,000 people on it not 131 00:06:30,579 --> 00:06:27,860 all of them are active of course but 132 00:06:33,700 --> 00:06:30,589 it's just amazing how you can reach so 133 00:06:36,159 --> 00:06:33,710 many people through that site that you 134 00:06:41,790 --> 00:06:36,169 think think there's 2 billion people on 135 00:06:44,499 --> 00:06:41,800 yeah it's kind of hard it's amazing so 136 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:44,509 what got you interested in the topic to 137 00:06:51,070 --> 00:06:47,810 begin with and I suppose it really goes 138 00:06:54,399 --> 00:06:51,080 back when I was a young child and how to 139 00:06:57,579 --> 00:06:54,409 cite him with my sister when I was about 140 00:07:00,279 --> 00:06:57,589 7 years old which is during the 1970s 141 00:07:01,330 --> 00:07:00,289 and it was in Liverpool near the 142 00:07:02,860 --> 00:07:01,340 epidemic 143 00:07:07,540 --> 00:07:02,870 we've heard of the racetrack in 144 00:07:10,469 --> 00:07:07,550 Liverpool entry race course and we were 145 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:10,479 basically playing as young kids do and 146 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:13,490 she sort of got my attention and said do 147 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:15,530 you see that outside the window and we 148 00:07:20,950 --> 00:07:17,810 both looked and there was a silver disc 149 00:07:24,100 --> 00:07:20,960 shaped object outside the window 150 00:07:27,219 --> 00:07:24,110 we both observed it and then it took off 151 00:07:29,710 --> 00:07:27,229 my high velocity and then we just seemed 152 00:07:33,460 --> 00:07:29,720 to carry on plane as if nothing had 153 00:07:35,590 --> 00:07:33,470 happened and and I've actually forgotten 154 00:07:36,460 --> 00:07:35,600 about it it was my sister that brought 155 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:36,470 it back up 156 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:39,290 only when I started getting into you 157 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:41,810 know the page and write in different 158 00:07:49,180 --> 00:07:46,010 things so it's a weird one so it was 159 00:07:51,550 --> 00:07:49,190 kind of subliminally there maybe yeah 160 00:07:54,490 --> 00:07:51,560 and then but you know it's you are not 161 00:07:56,129 --> 00:07:54,500 the first one that has said that that 162 00:07:59,560 --> 00:07:56,139 I've heard a lot of people have 163 00:08:01,450 --> 00:07:59,570 forgotten about sightings and something 164 00:08:04,180 --> 00:08:01,460 either triggers it I think it was Peter 165 00:08:06,940 --> 00:08:04,190 Robbins had a major sighting with his 166 00:08:09,070 --> 00:08:06,950 sister when they were young also he was 167 00:08:11,770 --> 00:08:09,080 with his sister and he forgotten all 168 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:11,780 about it he totally forgot about it 169 00:08:18,159 --> 00:08:14,810 until the sister brought it up you know 170 00:08:21,700 --> 00:08:18,169 so it is uh it's not uncommon at all and 171 00:08:24,159 --> 00:08:21,710 I find I find that kind of funny that 172 00:08:27,490 --> 00:08:24,169 someone could forget something that you 173 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:27,500 know that amazing but important yeah 174 00:08:31,779 --> 00:08:30,410 yeah yeah and you've had uh you've had 175 00:08:35,890 --> 00:08:31,789 another sighting too right 176 00:08:38,649 --> 00:08:35,900 and yeah I've had a few different things 177 00:08:41,949 --> 00:08:38,659 have happened obviously but they the 178 00:08:44,590 --> 00:08:41,959 wallet in the book really is they I was 179 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:44,600 on the base a night RAF Cosford which is 180 00:08:50,590 --> 00:08:47,690 a base the Royal Air Force Base in the 181 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:50,600 UK in the Midlands not far from 182 00:09:00,340 --> 00:08:54,170 Birmingham Wolverhampton area and it was 183 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:00,350 during March 1993 my friend he was in 184 00:09:04,030 --> 00:09:02,450 the the guard room he was in charge of 185 00:09:09,100 --> 00:09:04,040 the guard room that might be old Lee 186 00:09:11,620 --> 00:09:09,110 corporal basically I was I didn't see I 187 00:09:14,500 --> 00:09:11,630 was on in the billets at the time and he 188 00:09:16,690 --> 00:09:14,510 told me about it all later and we've 189 00:09:20,050 --> 00:09:16,700 gone into more 190 00:09:22,810 --> 00:09:20,060 and he said it was nice and quiet at 191 00:09:25,930 --> 00:09:22,820 night he was late night going into the 192 00:09:27,730 --> 00:09:25,940 next day as you expect and you want it 193 00:09:32,050 --> 00:09:27,740 to be when you doing gate guard you want 194 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:32,060 to be nice quiet and he said all the 195 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:35,050 sudden the radio bursts into life and 196 00:09:40,930 --> 00:09:38,450 there was a young trainee because RAF 197 00:09:43,390 --> 00:09:40,940 Cosford is also a training camp where 198 00:09:46,690 --> 00:09:43,400 they train armors and different trades 199 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:46,700 and disciplines and he said there was a 200 00:09:51,550 --> 00:09:49,010 young trainee on the gate guard on the 201 00:09:53,650 --> 00:09:51,560 airfield which is actually on the front 202 00:09:56,350 --> 00:09:53,660 of the book you can see and in the book 203 00:09:58,750 --> 00:09:56,360 you the actual guard post is akin they 204 00:10:00,760 --> 00:09:58,760 have taken photographs of it and then 205 00:10:06,220 --> 00:10:00,770 it's there to see for yourself 206 00:10:08,050 --> 00:10:06,230 and he said this young lad was screaming 207 00:10:11,350 --> 00:10:08,060 down the radio to get the guard 208 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:11,360 commander out to the base because there 209 00:10:18,220 --> 00:10:14,450 was a huge black triangular shaped craft 210 00:10:21,220 --> 00:10:18,230 over the airfield I think all the people 211 00:10:23,530 --> 00:10:21,230 that did see when they all got there the 212 00:10:26,830 --> 00:10:23,540 guard commander the RAF police and all 213 00:10:29,830 --> 00:10:26,840 different people went out there and then 214 00:10:31,870 --> 00:10:29,840 the Land Rover's etc got there and they 215 00:10:35,140 --> 00:10:31,880 all described the same thing it seen 216 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:35,150 this huge black triangular shaped craft 217 00:10:41,290 --> 00:10:37,970 and there they described it the size of 218 00:10:45,670 --> 00:10:41,300 a battleship which is quite huge really 219 00:10:48,700 --> 00:10:45,680 you probably took in 800 feet plus and 220 00:10:52,870 --> 00:10:48,710 this thing obviously startled the young 221 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:52,880 lad he was quite shook up about it and 222 00:10:58,510 --> 00:10:55,610 then he took off from RAF Cosford and 223 00:11:02,130 --> 00:10:58,520 then went on to another RAF base which 224 00:11:05,260 --> 00:11:02,140 is not too far away as the crow flies 225 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:05,270 which is RAF Shawbury which is a 226 00:11:15,730 --> 00:11:09,610 helicopter base it's probably probably 227 00:11:19,450 --> 00:11:15,740 15-20 miles away and the on-duty air 228 00:11:22,270 --> 00:11:19,460 traffic controller in the evening then 229 00:11:24,430 --> 00:11:22,280 saw this craft coming in over the base 230 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:24,440 and they actually got a radar lock on it 231 00:11:31,929 --> 00:11:28,970 and he said then it was fine 232 00:11:34,449 --> 00:11:31,939 eases down over the airfield and his 233 00:11:36,369 --> 00:11:34,459 impressions we're that it was trying to 234 00:11:39,129 --> 00:11:36,379 look for something that well that was 235 00:11:41,429 --> 00:11:39,139 the impression he got and then it 236 00:11:46,420 --> 00:11:41,439 obviously took off from there but 237 00:11:50,050 --> 00:11:46,430 throughout the evening leading up to the 238 00:11:52,749 --> 00:11:50,060 sightings on the RAF bases it was seen 239 00:11:54,910 --> 00:11:52,759 throughout the UK and the walk whether 240 00:11:58,030 --> 00:11:54,920 it was the same craft and maybe another 241 00:12:01,210 --> 00:11:58,040 craft we don't know what similar craft 242 00:12:04,569 --> 00:12:01,220 was seen throughout the UK by on-duty 243 00:12:09,179 --> 00:12:04,579 policemen and civilians and you know 244 00:12:13,389 --> 00:12:09,189 quite a few people so it's it's quite 245 00:12:15,790 --> 00:12:13,399 document sated now now does it have you 246 00:12:18,460 --> 00:12:15,800 know like for instance this event water 247 00:12:20,050 --> 00:12:18,470 Rendlesham forest case stuff like that 248 00:12:24,730 --> 00:12:20,060 do they does essentially have like a 249 00:12:27,970 --> 00:12:24,740 case name is it is it cost for the yeah 250 00:12:32,259 --> 00:12:27,980 yeah it was an RAF Cosford which is it's 251 00:12:36,429 --> 00:12:32,269 an actual RAF base yeah actually the day 252 00:12:39,249 --> 00:12:36,439 after Nick Pope came out to the base and 253 00:12:41,249 --> 00:12:39,259 he had dealings with it and the 254 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:41,259 personnel and it off the afternoon 255 00:12:48,249 --> 00:12:44,689 investigating it himself and he was in 256 00:12:51,009 --> 00:12:48,259 Whitehall at the time on the the British 257 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:51,019 x-files desk when he was working there 258 00:12:57,069 --> 00:12:54,290 and he in the book of Acts put links 259 00:13:00,309 --> 00:12:57,079 there were people can go freely on to 260 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:00,319 YouTube etc and see Nick talking about 261 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:03,529 the case so did you actually meet Nick 262 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:05,569 at the time or did you see him there or 263 00:13:11,079 --> 00:13:07,850 just hear about it afterwards yeah you 264 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:11,089 just knew about when puzzles and brought 265 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:13,370 the whole case together and obviously 266 00:13:18,970 --> 00:13:16,730 Nick it spoke about it for years you 267 00:13:20,860 --> 00:13:18,980 know he's not soft fell back on it and 268 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:20,870 he actually wrote quite a big piece in 269 00:13:27,009 --> 00:13:23,410 the book for me at the beginning 270 00:13:30,189 --> 00:13:27,019 regarding my leading up to you know the 271 00:13:32,619 --> 00:13:30,199 sighting and then his piece afterwards 272 00:13:35,889 --> 00:13:32,629 the way he dealt with it and etc so it's 273 00:13:39,790 --> 00:13:35,899 quite interesting how did they how did 274 00:13:42,260 --> 00:13:39,800 how did the mo d leave that case just as 275 00:13:46,250 --> 00:13:42,270 an unknown yeah it's still 276 00:13:52,580 --> 00:13:46,260 on solved case unidentified - what the 277 00:13:55,070 --> 00:13:52,590 craft was I over time you come up with 278 00:13:58,760 --> 00:13:55,080 your own conclusions and things and I I 279 00:14:04,930 --> 00:13:58,770 think it probably was a secret covert 280 00:14:07,750 --> 00:14:04,940 black military you know covet project 281 00:14:11,060 --> 00:14:07,760 because a lot of sightings I'm sure 282 00:14:15,020 --> 00:14:11,070 through through my research and going 283 00:14:17,890 --> 00:14:15,030 down those avenues a lot of people I 284 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:17,900 think see craft and it's unidentified 285 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:20,730 because obviously UFO that's what it 286 00:14:25,910 --> 00:14:23,130 stands for unidentified flying objects 287 00:14:28,550 --> 00:14:25,920 so when they don't know what the craft 288 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:28,560 is and if it's secret covert that's not 289 00:14:35,810 --> 00:14:31,050 seen by most people in the general 290 00:14:39,110 --> 00:14:35,820 public sense it's unidentified and I 291 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:39,120 think that suits the military the secret 292 00:14:44,210 --> 00:14:42,570 over projects that people don't know 293 00:14:47,210 --> 00:14:44,220 what they're seeing so it's the perfect 294 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:47,220 cover story for them but why would it 295 00:14:52,250 --> 00:14:50,010 shoot down lasers at the ground though I 296 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:52,260 mean that part doesn't make any sense 297 00:14:58,090 --> 00:14:55,650 no no there are other things that could 298 00:15:08,990 --> 00:14:58,100 lead on to you know you think in other 299 00:15:12,050 --> 00:15:09,000 could it be extraterrestrials but you're 300 00:15:14,210 --> 00:15:12,060 going off the facts of the sightings and 301 00:15:18,710 --> 00:15:14,220 what people saw and what was recorded on 302 00:15:22,490 --> 00:15:18,720 the knee of the evening so will it still 303 00:15:26,330 --> 00:15:22,500 be non unidentified it still leaves the 304 00:15:28,700 --> 00:15:26,340 door open to being whichever really did 305 00:15:32,450 --> 00:15:28,710 anyone talk about any noise coming from 306 00:15:35,330 --> 00:15:32,460 the craft know when the the only noise 307 00:15:36,590 --> 00:15:35,340 was like a homing sound yeah that's 308 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:36,600 something I always hear about the 309 00:15:42,410 --> 00:15:38,610 triangle say you hear about a humming 310 00:15:46,300 --> 00:15:42,420 yeah yeah and no sound at all 311 00:15:49,070 --> 00:15:46,310 no as it took off at high velocity and 312 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:49,080 you have to remember military personnel 313 00:15:54,439 --> 00:15:51,930 see aircraft fighter aircraft and 314 00:15:56,869 --> 00:15:54,449 military aircraft so they know what they 315 00:16:00,710 --> 00:15:56,879 you know we see the speeds they can fly 316 00:16:04,129 --> 00:16:00,720 and then this thing actually took off so 317 00:16:05,869 --> 00:16:04,139 fast but there was no as if it's 318 00:16:08,799 --> 00:16:05,879 breaking through a sound barrier so 319 00:16:12,199 --> 00:16:08,809 there was no boom or anything else 320 00:16:14,629 --> 00:16:12,209 that's that's yours hear that too 321 00:16:16,999 --> 00:16:14,639 even tracked on radar going you know 322 00:16:18,590 --> 00:16:17,009 well you know thousands of miles an hour 323 00:16:24,079 --> 00:16:18,600 no sonic helm 324 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:24,089 no now just totally baffling isn't it in 325 00:16:29,479 --> 00:16:26,730 the book I've actually managed to get 326 00:16:32,299 --> 00:16:29,489 hold of the official military documents 327 00:16:36,829 --> 00:16:32,309 which have been released by the mo D 328 00:16:39,169 --> 00:16:36,839 since so they're in the book and they be 329 00:16:42,970 --> 00:16:39,179 when the investigation had been taking 330 00:16:46,369 --> 00:16:42,980 place through the the site in itself 331 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:46,379 they did actually contact a lot of other 332 00:16:53,059 --> 00:16:49,290 military bases throughout the UK who 333 00:16:55,579 --> 00:16:53,069 have got the overall radar scope so you 334 00:16:57,849 --> 00:16:55,589 know Brize Norton and RAF line and all 335 00:17:01,489 --> 00:16:57,859 the big places that have the bigger 336 00:17:05,149 --> 00:17:01,499 radar patches and I'm not sure whether 337 00:17:07,519 --> 00:17:05,159 they actually picked it up or not but it 338 00:17:09,189 --> 00:17:07,529 was still unidentified because it was 339 00:17:12,939 --> 00:17:09,199 not one of ours 340 00:17:15,679 --> 00:17:12,949 now at the Rendlesham forest incident 341 00:17:18,860 --> 00:17:15,689 there was some speculation that there 342 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:18,870 was possibly some nuclear warheads 343 00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:21,329 possibly they can never say for sure and 344 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:24,240 and when I've had Charles halt on my 345 00:17:29,889 --> 00:17:26,250 show he did not want to talk about it 346 00:17:33,919 --> 00:17:29,899 and I totally respect that he can't but 347 00:17:39,470 --> 00:17:33,929 were there any weapons on that base in 348 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:39,480 particular no no any kind no no it's a 349 00:17:46,250 --> 00:17:42,210 it's a training camp so like I said 350 00:17:48,370 --> 00:17:46,260 there'd be the actual things that they 351 00:17:51,950 --> 00:17:48,380 have on the camper training aids etc 352 00:17:53,450 --> 00:17:51,960 there is a large museum there where 353 00:17:56,230 --> 00:17:53,460 they've got all different types of 354 00:17:59,120 --> 00:17:56,240 aircraft throughout RAF history etc 355 00:18:04,730 --> 00:17:59,130 military American you know all foreign 356 00:18:07,940 --> 00:18:04,740 militaries there so really yeah I don't 357 00:18:08,270 --> 00:18:07,950 know why personally it could have been 358 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:08,280 there 359 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:10,770 for any other reason other than like 360 00:18:17,990 --> 00:18:14,730 you've just said other craft of being 361 00:18:21,610 --> 00:18:18,000 seen over military installations etc 362 00:18:25,130 --> 00:18:21,620 throughout the world so right yeah 363 00:18:28,910 --> 00:18:25,140 another another thing that always comes 364 00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:28,920 to mind when this was in 1993 right is 365 00:18:36,170 --> 00:18:31,200 that when you said it was yeah yeah 366 00:18:40,580 --> 00:18:36,180 so 1993 and all this time goes by you 367 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:40,590 would think that there would be if it 368 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:43,170 was secret military craft you would 369 00:18:48,290 --> 00:18:45,330 think that that technology would be 370 00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:48,300 known by now wouldn't you think that I 371 00:18:52,700 --> 00:18:50,370 mean that's that's always kind of 372 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:52,710 puzzling to me I mean if something like 373 00:18:56,540 --> 00:18:54,450 that was that advanced that it could 374 00:18:58,670 --> 00:18:56,550 take off on that type of speed just 375 00:19:02,080 --> 00:18:58,680 think that we would know something about 376 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:02,090 it by now yeah you certainly world yeah 377 00:19:08,650 --> 00:19:06,090 I'm you know people do say you what 378 00:19:12,740 --> 00:19:08,660 they've got in the secret covert 379 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:12,750 cloakroom cupboard is 50 years ahead of 380 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:14,970 what we've actually got flying around in 381 00:19:20,030 --> 00:19:17,730 the military now so yeah I've heard 382 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:20,040 people say 20 years I haven't never 383 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:21,930 heard 50 years but you know nothing that 384 00:19:26,420 --> 00:19:24,690 actually surprised me but it just seems 385 00:19:27,470 --> 00:19:26,430 you know I know these people are under 386 00:19:29,390 --> 00:19:27,480 top-secret 387 00:19:33,890 --> 00:19:29,400 you know clearances they can't talk 388 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:33,900 they're contracted but it just seems 389 00:19:39,950 --> 00:19:36,450 like we would seem to know something a 390 00:19:44,210 --> 00:19:39,960 little if these things especially when 391 00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:44,220 something can L stay elevated without 392 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:47,370 moving you know can hover and not you 393 00:19:53,050 --> 00:19:49,650 have any you know propulsion of any kind 394 00:19:58,610 --> 00:19:53,060 that you can actually see yeah you know 395 00:20:02,030 --> 00:19:58,620 antigravity right right so let's talk 396 00:20:05,210 --> 00:20:02,040 about some of the cases that you have 397 00:20:09,860 --> 00:20:05,220 researched and and what made you decide 398 00:20:12,980 --> 00:20:09,870 to do the research that you do oh really 399 00:20:14,570 --> 00:20:12,990 it stemmed from my sighting really and 400 00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:14,580 things that have happened and then 401 00:20:20,210 --> 00:20:18,240 obviously the cosmid things so i didn't 402 00:20:22,730 --> 00:20:20,220 research into it until I've actually 403 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:22,740 left the Air Force 404 00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:27,770 and it just seemed to escalate barely 405 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:30,720 the the where there wasn't many people 406 00:20:35,630 --> 00:20:32,610 out there who could actually answer my 407 00:20:38,180 --> 00:20:35,640 questions so it was really roll your 408 00:20:40,970 --> 00:20:38,190 sleeves up and get and the internet was 409 00:20:44,930 --> 00:20:40,980 becoming better and better a better tool 410 00:20:46,820 --> 00:20:44,940 to research so it was making it easier 411 00:20:50,690 --> 00:20:46,830 to find things out and the more you 412 00:20:54,649 --> 00:20:50,700 found out the more I'd be looking into 413 00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:54,659 one case for example and generally 414 00:20:58,820 --> 00:20:56,640 another five doors would open the 415 00:21:01,960 --> 00:20:58,830 different cases again leading off that 416 00:21:07,340 --> 00:21:01,970 one and it just it got worse and worse 417 00:21:10,899 --> 00:21:07,350 and III just put it down to what do I 418 00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:10,909 call it the Richard Dreyfuss syndrome 419 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:13,679 where he's decided to build the mountain 420 00:21:19,310 --> 00:21:16,770 in the house yeah you become manic and I 421 00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:19,320 wouldn't say sleepless sleepless nights 422 00:21:25,789 --> 00:21:22,559 but you do think about it an awful lot 423 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:25,799 yeah yeah yeah it is interesting I've 424 00:21:29,060 --> 00:21:27,090 heard a number of people say the same 425 00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:29,070 thing that you know one thing kind of 426 00:21:33,919 --> 00:21:31,200 leads into another and a lot of times 427 00:21:36,020 --> 00:21:33,929 when the people that have written a book 428 00:21:38,450 --> 00:21:36,030 it's like after the book they're 429 00:21:42,529 --> 00:21:38,460 contacted by all these people has that 430 00:21:44,570 --> 00:21:42,539 been happening oh it happened before the 431 00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:44,580 book really the book like I said was a 432 00:21:49,279 --> 00:21:47,130 progression and I was speaking with 433 00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:49,289 Philip and it sort of progressed from 434 00:21:57,289 --> 00:21:53,760 there and how we would approach the book 435 00:21:59,390 --> 00:21:57,299 or how I would write it and like it's 436 00:22:02,020 --> 00:21:59,400 been a great help to me because I've 437 00:22:05,570 --> 00:22:02,030 never wrote the book before obviously 438 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:05,580 and I really needed to I wanted to be a 439 00:22:12,380 --> 00:22:08,610 layman's type of book where somebody who 440 00:22:15,740 --> 00:22:12,390 had not really been into UF ology where 441 00:22:18,169 --> 00:22:15,750 we all start at one point it's a bit of 442 00:22:20,570 --> 00:22:18,179 a DIY book where you pick it up and it 443 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:20,580 gives you the basics of what to look for 444 00:22:29,049 --> 00:22:25,010 how to analyze photographs etc 445 00:22:33,020 --> 00:22:29,059 misidentifications and just basically 446 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:33,030 leading you in slowly and then and then 447 00:22:36,150 --> 00:22:35,010 I thought how am I going to put the UFO 448 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:36,160 cases across 449 00:22:41,610 --> 00:22:38,770 I thought well if you better start with 450 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:41,620 the first case which was an you know 451 00:22:49,020 --> 00:22:45,490 late 18-hundreds and go every ten years 452 00:22:52,290 --> 00:22:49,030 on from there from major caters and 453 00:22:55,050 --> 00:22:52,300 again when I started to delve and 454 00:22:57,090 --> 00:22:55,060 research which I research most of these 455 00:22:59,670 --> 00:22:57,100 cases anyway like anybody else would 456 00:23:02,430 --> 00:22:59,680 wear you know you pick up a book and you 457 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:02,440 start reading Chariots of the Gods or 458 00:23:09,060 --> 00:23:05,050 Erich von Daniken you know you start 459 00:23:12,090 --> 00:23:09,070 somewhere so you research that the 460 00:23:14,850 --> 00:23:12,100 well-known cases but when I she started 461 00:23:17,310 --> 00:23:14,860 to analyze the photographs I was coming 462 00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:17,320 out with more detail that had never been 463 00:23:23,340 --> 00:23:21,280 seen before so as you get deeper into it 464 00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:23,350 and you can see Anna it was even amazing 465 00:23:31,290 --> 00:23:25,120 myself really when I was getting into 466 00:23:33,450 --> 00:23:31,300 even more okay I'd like to I'd like to 467 00:23:34,770 --> 00:23:33,460 start out talking about one thing you're 468 00:23:38,790 --> 00:23:34,780 probably not going to be too happy about 469 00:23:43,290 --> 00:23:38,800 it but I live on top of a mountain in 470 00:23:46,290 --> 00:23:43,300 Maine and I can over from my house I can 471 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:46,300 actually see Mount Washington and I want 472 00:23:54,210 --> 00:23:49,890 to talk about the 1870 Mount Washington 473 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:54,220 stereopticon view card because the only 474 00:23:58,880 --> 00:23:55,810 reason I know about that is because I'm 475 00:24:01,170 --> 00:23:58,890 local to the mountain and I also know a 476 00:24:04,140 --> 00:24:01,180 UFO researcher that went into great 477 00:24:06,060 --> 00:24:04,150 detail so go ahead it's gonna be pulled 478 00:24:09,150 --> 00:24:06,070 up on the screen right now on YouTube 479 00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:09,160 for those of people watching on YouTube 480 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:10,960 and I can also put it in the show notes 481 00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:13,210 so this is a stereopticon it's a 482 00:24:19,710 --> 00:24:16,480 victorian-era stereopticon view card you 483 00:24:21,210 --> 00:24:19,720 put it it basically where this thing not 484 00:24:24,750 --> 00:24:21,220 you know where you hold in front of your 485 00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:24,760 face and it's two magnifying glasses and 486 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:26,710 it holds in front of you and it actually 487 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:28,570 becomes three-dimensional when you look 488 00:24:35,580 --> 00:24:31,930 at it with that stereopticon viewer so 489 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:35,590 this image actually was researched by a 490 00:24:41,070 --> 00:24:37,570 number of people one of them being ryan 491 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:41,080 molly he in new hampshire and it appears 492 00:24:45,690 --> 00:24:43,450 so much like it's floating in the clouds 493 00:24:47,940 --> 00:24:45,700 but go ahead and pull up that close up 494 00:24:50,010 --> 00:24:47,950 next and I know Jason I'm sorry you 495 00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:50,020 can't see this that's all 496 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:54,910 it actually becomes a structure that is 497 00:25:00,750 --> 00:24:57,610 in the snow and it's awful hard to 498 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:00,760 detect the snow between the cloud but 499 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:03,370 when the person went to the New York 500 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:05,290 it's in the New York Public Library the 501 00:25:10,050 --> 00:25:07,570 original image before it was made into a 502 00:25:11,850 --> 00:25:10,060 stereopticon card we're also going to 503 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:11,860 show a couple of other pictures that 504 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:14,530 were taken the very same day showing the 505 00:25:20,790 --> 00:25:17,730 frost elements up on Mount Washington so 506 00:25:23,850 --> 00:25:20,800 anyway basically what that is is the 507 00:25:26,010 --> 00:25:23,860 structure on that's sitting on top of 508 00:25:29,690 --> 00:25:26,020 Mount Washington and it's basically 509 00:25:34,020 --> 00:25:29,700 blended in you know with the clouds so 510 00:25:36,210 --> 00:25:34,030 and that was by the good work of Ryan 511 00:25:38,670 --> 00:25:36,220 Maliki and also another Ryu fo 512 00:25:40,290 --> 00:25:38,680 researcher that actually went to see 513 00:25:43,290 --> 00:25:40,300 this original image at the New York 514 00:25:44,910 --> 00:25:43,300 Public Library and because it's an 515 00:25:47,540 --> 00:25:44,920 original image you know how important 516 00:25:52,620 --> 00:25:47,550 that is you can get so much more detail 517 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:52,630 so so I hate to start out on a negative 518 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:55,210 but it's a it's one I believe that has 519 00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:57,490 been solved down not saying it's a 520 00:26:02,010 --> 00:25:59,200 hundred percent that it is but most 521 00:26:07,230 --> 00:26:02,020 likely it has been solved as some type 522 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:07,240 of structure yeah if I was proven wrong 523 00:26:13,050 --> 00:26:09,610 I'd be the first person to say I was 524 00:26:14,970 --> 00:26:13,060 wrong and you know go back but I was 525 00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:14,980 going off the photograph that I'd seen 526 00:26:20,790 --> 00:26:18,400 and analyzed what if you know somebody's 527 00:26:23,130 --> 00:26:20,800 actually been up on site and location 528 00:26:25,770 --> 00:26:23,140 that's even better again you know I'll 529 00:26:28,620 --> 00:26:25,780 certainly look into that one deeper you 530 00:26:31,530 --> 00:26:28,630 know I personally was very disappointed 531 00:26:33,330 --> 00:26:31,540 because that's a local mountain to me 532 00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:33,340 like I said I can look out my window and 533 00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,400 see it and I was thinking well that is 534 00:26:41,850 --> 00:26:38,320 such a great case you know and I know 535 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:41,860 the the original stereopticon card sold 536 00:26:46,110 --> 00:26:43,330 for something like three hundred eighty 537 00:26:47,610 --> 00:26:46,120 dollars on eBay and they're worth about 538 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:47,620 five dollars a piece of that three 539 00:26:50,490 --> 00:26:48,850 hundred eighty dollars is quite a bit of 540 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:50,500 money somebody thought they were buying 541 00:26:57,660 --> 00:26:54,010 the first original UFO other any other 542 00:27:00,510 --> 00:26:57,670 pictures of vintage pictures of UFOs 543 00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:00,520 that you've actually have found when 544 00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:04,000 you're researching just generally 545 00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:06,310 I wanted to go every 10 years so 546 00:27:10,740 --> 00:27:08,320 obviously I don't do every single 547 00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:10,750 photograph book the next one I went on 548 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:16,080 was the the Catalan UFO over France 1910 549 00:27:21,450 --> 00:27:19,090 and it's a it's a picture basically of a 550 00:27:24,090 --> 00:27:21,460 racetrack and you can see the spectators 551 00:27:27,330 --> 00:27:24,100 and the car coming around the ground the 552 00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:27,340 racetrack itself and it looks like a 553 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:31,440 cigar cylindrical shaped craft above 554 00:27:37,050 --> 00:27:34,570 again unless you have other photographs 555 00:27:39,530 --> 00:27:37,060 and you can go into it in more detail 556 00:27:42,750 --> 00:27:39,540 and actually after the original 557 00:27:45,150 --> 00:27:42,760 photograph and you can only really 558 00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:45,160 analyze and what you've you can get or 559 00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,320 you know you can download etc and again 560 00:27:56,370 --> 00:27:52,000 it was basically for the book where I 561 00:27:59,460 --> 00:27:56,380 wanted to just go along the decades and 562 00:28:03,120 --> 00:27:59,470 try and ease people into into cases 563 00:28:07,950 --> 00:28:03,130 before we got into the more modern you 564 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:07,960 know modern-day photographs right right 565 00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:14,650 I I had the woman that opportunity I'm 566 00:28:19,170 --> 00:28:16,510 trying to remember the name of the 567 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:19,180 famous UFO photo that was taken by a 568 00:28:26,780 --> 00:28:24,250 publisher with a Polaroid out of a truck 569 00:28:30,150 --> 00:28:26,790 in California familiar with that one 570 00:28:31,500 --> 00:28:30,160 yeah I think so I'm gonna the access to 571 00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:31,510 it in a minute floor I know it's at the 572 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:34,720 side of a truck window is it yes that's 573 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:38,050 right yeah into your disk I didn't think 574 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:39,850 about actually going into that in more 575 00:28:45,180 --> 00:28:42,730 depth but I'd already covered a case 576 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:45,190 from that year or so I sort of didn't go 577 00:28:53,850 --> 00:28:49,210 into too many well that particular that 578 00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:53,860 original is available actually and let's 579 00:29:00,540 --> 00:28:55,510 say that was Heflin was the name Rex 580 00:29:03,690 --> 00:29:00,550 Heflin and so I had I had a woman on my 581 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:03,700 show back in February who actually has 582 00:29:11,460 --> 00:29:06,970 that picture of the original Polaroid 583 00:29:13,890 --> 00:29:11,470 Center in her safe and so you can 584 00:29:15,030 --> 00:29:13,900 actually see the originals and actually 585 00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,040 hold them in your hand but you know 586 00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:17,520 Polaroids they're not 587 00:29:21,150 --> 00:29:19,600 they're a little bit tough aren't they 588 00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:21,160 to deal with I mean they're not quite 589 00:29:25,740 --> 00:29:22,510 the quality of a regular photograph 590 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:25,750 right no no they're not them and again 591 00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:29,650 with with any photograph you know 592 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:32,080 whether your past modern you know I 593 00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:34,090 always try and ask for the original 594 00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:36,840 photograph the best you can get because 595 00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:39,760 if you're trying to analyze photographs 596 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:43,120 on being on the internet you don't know 597 00:29:48,990 --> 00:29:45,610 how many times that photograph has being 598 00:29:51,630 --> 00:29:49,000 posted and reposted etc so you go 599 00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:51,640 through third fourth fifth generation of 600 00:29:57,930 --> 00:29:54,910 the same photograph and obviously the 601 00:30:00,990 --> 00:29:57,940 more you go through this process the 602 00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:01,000 more the quality degrades and it's 603 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:05,440 harder to actually analyze yeah I can 604 00:30:09,450 --> 00:30:06,010 get that 605 00:30:12,060 --> 00:30:09,460 what about videos do you do a lot of 606 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:12,070 work with that as well no there's so 607 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:15,490 much but I do look into videos because 608 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:18,610 you can get frame captures from the 609 00:30:24,690 --> 00:30:21,130 actual video it cuz obviously there's no 610 00:30:26,430 --> 00:30:24,700 other photographs available you have to 611 00:30:29,460 --> 00:30:26,440 use the video to get you what you're 612 00:30:32,610 --> 00:30:29,470 actually looking at and then you take a 613 00:30:37,890 --> 00:30:32,620 frame from the you know stills from the 614 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:37,900 actual video or footage now what yeah I 615 00:30:44,580 --> 00:30:39,730 guess it would matter how many frames 616 00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,590 per second the film is running at is 617 00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:46,720 digital different than that as digital 618 00:30:52,140 --> 00:30:48,910 the same thing as far as frames per 619 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:52,150 second I'm not quite sure whether it 620 00:30:58,290 --> 00:30:55,450 would be the you go back to the older 621 00:31:01,200 --> 00:30:58,300 cine film then obviously yet the the 622 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:01,210 actual the running speed etc I think is 623 00:31:07,020 --> 00:31:04,090 different so you can actually get more 624 00:31:10,020 --> 00:31:07,030 frames in it actually but with the 625 00:31:12,330 --> 00:31:10,030 digital it seemed you can it depends as 626 00:31:13,620 --> 00:31:12,340 well on the on the object how fast it's 627 00:31:17,370 --> 00:31:13,630 flying 628 00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:17,380 you know location lighting there's a lot 629 00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:19,510 of thing factors involved in that you 630 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:22,000 know when you try to analyze it and 631 00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:24,250 obviously on the quality as well whether 632 00:31:31,230 --> 00:31:30,190 it's 1080 or 4k or you know 720 need for 633 00:31:37,289 --> 00:31:31,240 the 634 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:37,299 right right I remember I had when I got 635 00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:39,250 my first iPhone I can't remember when it 636 00:31:43,889 --> 00:31:41,529 was I was living in California and I 637 00:31:45,149 --> 00:31:43,899 remember I and they were kind of you 638 00:31:47,850 --> 00:31:45,159 know they were kind of primitive back 639 00:31:50,460 --> 00:31:47,860 then as far as video and filming but I 640 00:31:54,299 --> 00:31:50,470 remember I went out in the evening for a 641 00:31:56,669 --> 00:31:54,309 walk and I was filming and aiming up at 642 00:31:58,289 --> 00:31:56,679 the stars and then I watched it 643 00:32:01,919 --> 00:31:58,299 afterwards and it's all these blurs and 644 00:32:04,740 --> 00:32:01,929 lines you know like it looks like a UFO 645 00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:04,750 you know and I can I have people that 646 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:06,880 will send me pictures I get I get a lot 647 00:32:11,370 --> 00:32:08,890 of pictures by the way you know in a 648 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:11,380 mail to me and I'll have people send me 649 00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:13,450 pictures that looks like the streaks of 650 00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:17,289 just basically holding your iphone or 651 00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:19,360 you know camera up at the sky and just 652 00:32:23,549 --> 00:32:20,799 moving it a little bit it makes these 653 00:32:26,490 --> 00:32:23,559 like streaks across like light streaks 654 00:32:28,139 --> 00:32:26,500 yeah and you know I think unless you 655 00:32:30,330 --> 00:32:28,149 actually see something with your eye and 656 00:32:32,190 --> 00:32:30,340 then see it you know in the camera at 657 00:32:34,260 --> 00:32:32,200 the same time you know the witnesses are 658 00:32:36,510 --> 00:32:34,270 pretty important I think yeah yeah 659 00:32:39,210 --> 00:32:36,520 there's like you just said there's a lot 660 00:32:41,250 --> 00:32:39,220 of factors involved and if you could see 661 00:32:43,500 --> 00:32:41,260 the object and then you get your camera 662 00:32:47,460 --> 00:32:43,510 out and take a photograph you've got a 663 00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:47,470 double aspect of what you've taken but 664 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:49,600 then you've got also a lot of people 665 00:32:56,340 --> 00:32:51,610 like I get an awful lot of photographs 666 00:32:58,580 --> 00:32:56,350 on people who have taken pictures or and 667 00:33:01,590 --> 00:32:58,590 if you actually look at the footage and 668 00:33:04,139 --> 00:33:01,600 they're like an orb shape in it but it's 669 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:04,149 just lens flare from the Sun which is 670 00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:07,570 it's very common I know there's so many 671 00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:11,200 lens flare photos and then there's also 672 00:33:16,830 --> 00:33:14,710 some Google Earth pink UFOs which is 673 00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:16,840 actually yeah have you heard of that 674 00:33:23,850 --> 00:33:20,559 there's a yeah mark deantonio are you 675 00:33:27,260 --> 00:33:23,860 familiar with who he is no he is the 676 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:27,270 MUFON you know video photo analysts 677 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:30,850 basically and he does a lot of work for 678 00:33:36,330 --> 00:33:33,250 them he's also it does special effects 679 00:33:37,950 --> 00:33:36,340 and models and things like that but he 680 00:33:40,769 --> 00:33:37,960 and I were basically arguing with this 681 00:33:42,450 --> 00:33:40,779 guy on Facebook and that we gave up and 682 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:42,460 just let the guy think what he wants to 683 00:33:46,380 --> 00:33:45,010 think but he was he was saying we were 684 00:33:47,850 --> 00:33:46,390 the government against him and 685 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:47,860 everything else and all we're saying is 686 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:50,650 those are well known those pink UFOs are 687 00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:53,650 well-known lens flares yeah and they do 688 00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:55,840 yeah they're actually convincing I can 689 00:34:00,750 --> 00:33:58,090 understand why someone can look at that 690 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:00,760 and say wow there's a disc right there 691 00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:04,930 yeah yeah definitely and sometimes you 692 00:34:10,350 --> 00:34:06,910 do after sort back away and let people 693 00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:10,360 just get on with it because you're just 694 00:34:15,149 --> 00:34:12,730 gonna upset somebody aren't you for for 695 00:34:17,690 --> 00:34:15,159 no reason when if they want to believe 696 00:34:20,430 --> 00:34:17,700 they've seen something done so be it 697 00:34:21,899 --> 00:34:20,440 well after so I just got to tell you 698 00:34:25,649 --> 00:34:21,909 because I think this kind of humor so 699 00:34:28,649 --> 00:34:25,659 this guy basically was telling me to you 700 00:34:32,659 --> 00:34:28,659 know bug off and like I was a government 701 00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:32,669 idiot and debunker and and you know so 702 00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:36,639 anyway he obviously searched my Facebook 703 00:34:41,010 --> 00:34:39,520 page after that and then he found out 704 00:34:43,169 --> 00:34:41,020 that I have an interest in antiques and 705 00:34:45,690 --> 00:34:43,179 I you know I'm a appraiser and antiques 706 00:34:48,870 --> 00:34:45,700 so he started sending me pictures of a 707 00:34:52,919 --> 00:34:48,880 glass I hate to even say this but a 708 00:34:55,619 --> 00:34:52,929 glass urinal but you know how valuable 709 00:34:58,260 --> 00:34:55,629 it was and I said oh my god I just kind 710 00:34:59,400 --> 00:34:58,270 of deleted it and moved on but yeah yeah 711 00:35:01,950 --> 00:34:59,410 so yeah 712 00:35:07,860 --> 00:35:01,960 it's there's you can attract some a 713 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:07,870 couple crazies so let's talk about some 714 00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:10,210 of the more convincing ones that you've 715 00:35:15,870 --> 00:35:12,510 looked at when I say convincing I mean 716 00:35:18,030 --> 00:35:15,880 unexplainable UFOs that you've actually 717 00:35:22,190 --> 00:35:18,040 studied in and tried to figure out what 718 00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:22,200 they were yeah sure from the book oh 719 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:27,730 yeah yeah yeah one of the convincing 720 00:35:33,330 --> 00:35:30,610 ones which I've looked at myself for 721 00:35:40,740 --> 00:35:33,340 years is the the battle over Los Angeles 722 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:40,750 which is 1942 and if again that to this 723 00:35:50,490 --> 00:35:46,090 day is still unidentified and it was a 724 00:35:52,410 --> 00:35:50,500 large craft that came over and I was 725 00:35:55,110 --> 00:35:52,420 like everybody else I just seen the 726 00:35:58,410 --> 00:35:55,120 original photographs all the late is the 727 00:35:59,099 --> 00:35:58,420 best I could find and they're basically 728 00:36:02,039 --> 00:35:59,109 sure 729 00:36:04,109 --> 00:36:02,049 the the searchlights which are on this 730 00:36:08,309 --> 00:36:04,119 this object 731 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:08,319 it looks of diamond-shaped initially but 732 00:36:14,029 --> 00:36:12,249 when you look at it and you can see the 733 00:36:16,049 --> 00:36:14,039 searchlights on it you can see the 734 00:36:16,940 --> 00:36:16,059 artillery they were actually firing 735 00:36:20,009 --> 00:36:16,950 that's it 736 00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:20,019 um do you know about this case oh yes 737 00:36:25,859 --> 00:36:23,440 it's always fascinated me I know for one 738 00:36:28,410 --> 00:36:25,869 David Marlar was gonna start working on 739 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:28,420 that I he was going to start out 740 00:36:32,910 --> 00:36:29,890 researching that I know a number of 741 00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:32,920 people have but it's off that's always 742 00:36:37,229 --> 00:36:35,680 fascinated me that's that's a great very 743 00:36:40,859 --> 00:36:37,239 unusual case I know there was something 744 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:40,869 like either two or four people that were 745 00:36:48,059 --> 00:36:43,930 actually killed I think it was more I 746 00:36:51,289 --> 00:36:48,069 think it was about did other things so 747 00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:51,299 we were it was more like eight people or 748 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:54,160 maybe three people were killed in a car 749 00:36:59,579 --> 00:36:56,410 crash and people had a couple of other 750 00:37:01,920 --> 00:36:59,589 people as heart attacks right I'm you 751 00:37:05,460 --> 00:37:01,930 know that it was and then and then 752 00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:05,470 actually from some of these shells the 753 00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:06,730 shells yeah 754 00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:09,730 yeah couple people killed from that yeah 755 00:37:15,509 --> 00:37:13,089 I mean obviously I think America had 756 00:37:20,910 --> 00:37:15,519 just come into the in the Second World 757 00:37:25,049 --> 00:37:20,920 War so the the military and people must 758 00:37:28,979 --> 00:37:25,059 have thought that it was Japanese craft 759 00:37:31,259 --> 00:37:28,989 or German Luftwaffe aircraft coming over 760 00:37:33,809 --> 00:37:31,269 so obviously it was a free-for-all 761 00:37:36,269 --> 00:37:33,819 everybody opened up at this thing and it 762 00:37:40,319 --> 00:37:36,279 just didn't move at all they was moving 763 00:37:43,650 --> 00:37:40,329 slowly through the the skyline of Los 764 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:43,660 Angeles but they didn't bring it down or 765 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:47,170 anything and you know to this day they 766 00:37:52,589 --> 00:37:50,170 still don't know did you ever hear about 767 00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:52,599 during the World War two the Japanese 768 00:37:58,279 --> 00:37:54,880 had these balloons that they would 769 00:38:02,460 --> 00:37:58,289 launch into the prevailing winds 770 00:38:03,390 --> 00:38:02,470 eastward toward the LA you know the 771 00:38:07,170 --> 00:38:03,400 California coastline 772 00:38:09,859 --> 00:38:07,180 yeah did yeah these supporting sentry 773 00:38:12,820 --> 00:38:09,869 devices on them didn't they on gun okay 774 00:38:16,780 --> 00:38:12,830 accrued yeah oh really 775 00:38:19,450 --> 00:38:16,790 release release mechanism and it would 776 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:19,460 well then intention was to to release 777 00:38:23,710 --> 00:38:21,290 the bombs over the city route they were 778 00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:23,720 men they would they would got very high 779 00:38:31,630 --> 00:38:28,480 and go out you know eventually get to 780 00:38:34,540 --> 00:38:31,640 America and that region and release the 781 00:38:38,020 --> 00:38:34,550 bombs yeah can you imagine if that war 782 00:38:40,690 --> 00:38:38,030 was now the technology we have now 783 00:38:44,020 --> 00:38:40,700 I mean it's so funny I mean it is very 784 00:38:46,590 --> 00:38:44,030 primitive you know in that hole but it 785 00:38:50,050 --> 00:38:46,600 was just anything to get us that was 786 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:50,060 that was kind of scary but that's what 787 00:38:53,830 --> 00:38:51,770 that's why everybody must have thought 788 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:53,840 that night you know the craft coming 789 00:38:59,770 --> 00:38:57,170 over it was something to do with with 790 00:39:02,290 --> 00:38:59,780 coming into the war excetera and them 791 00:39:03,940 --> 00:39:02,300 and we when one actually analyzed the 792 00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:03,950 photographs of them if you've seen them 793 00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:06,710 in the book the the detail that came out 794 00:39:12,340 --> 00:39:09,310 of the craft and you can actually see 795 00:39:15,820 --> 00:39:12,350 structure to the craft itself really 796 00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:15,830 yeah it's it amazed myself really when 797 00:39:24,130 --> 00:39:18,910 when actually set to work on it because 798 00:39:26,290 --> 00:39:24,140 like I said the actual case I've always 799 00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:26,300 been interested in it like most people 800 00:39:31,090 --> 00:39:28,400 for years but I thought it'd be a good 801 00:39:33,580 --> 00:39:31,100 one for the book and I thought well 802 00:39:35,650 --> 00:39:33,590 nobody's ever gone down the road of 803 00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:35,660 analyzing the photographs and the depth 804 00:39:42,300 --> 00:39:39,680 that I did myself and the detail that 805 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:42,310 came out it doesn't even look 806 00:39:46,030 --> 00:39:44,450 diamond-shaped anymore it you know and 807 00:39:48,930 --> 00:39:46,040 it's I don't know if you've got a 808 00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:48,940 photograph there at all you can see or I 809 00:39:54,250 --> 00:39:51,710 just have I have a picture up on my own 810 00:39:57,090 --> 00:39:54,260 screen but not from your book it just 811 00:40:00,610 --> 00:39:57,100 shows up it shows the searchlights 812 00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:00,620 you know zeroing in on something with 813 00:40:06,970 --> 00:40:04,400 probably the shells blasting overhead 814 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:06,980 I think they shot off something like 815 00:40:13,330 --> 00:40:09,410 fifteen hundred rounds right or 816 00:40:16,060 --> 00:40:13,340 something like yeah yeah unlike except 817 00:40:18,340 --> 00:40:16,070 this thing was still that it didn't move 818 00:40:21,130 --> 00:40:18,350 it didn't so you didn't bring it down or 819 00:40:23,070 --> 00:40:21,140 damage it in any way do you know what 820 00:40:25,770 --> 00:40:23,080 made them stop firing 821 00:40:27,110 --> 00:40:25,780 let me did it go away 822 00:40:30,060 --> 00:40:27,120 I don't yeah yeah it did actually 823 00:40:34,140 --> 00:40:30,070 disappear over the skyline slowly and 824 00:40:36,660 --> 00:40:34,150 slowly moving all the time but not not 825 00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:36,670 like it was trying to evacuate the the 826 00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:41,920 the area under fire you know and it was 827 00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:46,510 lost over the skyline I think but well 828 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:47,830 obviously that's why they gave up 829 00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:49,450 shooting on it you know cuz it was out 830 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:53,440 of range do you know how they first were 831 00:40:59,550 --> 00:40:56,530 aware of it was a radar a wait a minute 832 00:41:02,100 --> 00:40:59,560 yeah was it radar or how did they first 833 00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:02,110 know that it was over LA I don't 834 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:05,250 actually know how it first intention but 835 00:41:10,140 --> 00:41:07,810 obviously the first thing people knew 836 00:41:12,990 --> 00:41:10,150 was when the searchlights were all on it 837 00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:13,000 and it it was all illuminated and then 838 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:15,730 obviously the firing started and all 839 00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:19,210 hell broke loose and you know I'm from 840 00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:22,720 their book looking through that the book 841 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:26,400 with the photographs and you do see the 842 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:29,290 what the craft looks like it doesn't 843 00:41:33,090 --> 00:41:30,850 look anything like the original 844 00:41:38,070 --> 00:41:33,100 photograph that you see you know where 845 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:38,080 you can just see a well the the object 846 00:41:44,430 --> 00:41:41,170 is illuminated so you get a glazed look 847 00:41:46,650 --> 00:41:44,440 over it there's no real detail on it but 848 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:46,660 when you use the filters and things and 849 00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:48,490 bring out the detail you can see the 850 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:52,240 structure to it you know this was you 851 00:41:59,210 --> 00:41:55,690 know five years prior to what they 852 00:42:02,220 --> 00:41:59,220 termed the modern him the modern ufology 853 00:42:05,730 --> 00:42:02,230 you know after Roswell basically all the 854 00:42:08,430 --> 00:42:05,740 sightings that began in 1947 on yeah so 855 00:42:12,420 --> 00:42:08,440 this was five years ahead of that had 856 00:42:15,690 --> 00:42:12,430 anyone ever brought up at that time that 857 00:42:17,790 --> 00:42:15,700 it was possibly you know a UFO or was 858 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:17,800 that like after the fact many years 859 00:42:22,890 --> 00:42:20,770 after the fact I think it was more after 860 00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:22,900 the fact because at the time I think 861 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:25,510 that's what they thought it was it was 862 00:42:32,310 --> 00:42:28,330 something it was involved in in the war 863 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:32,320 effort and yeah you know related to the 864 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:35,650 Mac see three months prior getting it 865 00:42:40,030 --> 00:42:38,050 after Pearl Harbor and things like that 866 00:42:44,569 --> 00:42:40,040 and everything progressed 867 00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:44,579 and yeah I think it was a lot later on 868 00:42:51,770 --> 00:42:47,609 that they actually it went down the road 869 00:42:53,630 --> 00:42:51,780 of the UFO which that was the term that 870 00:42:57,250 --> 00:42:53,640 came out later through Kenneth Arnold 871 00:43:00,440 --> 00:42:57,260 wasn't it with the flying discs etc so 872 00:43:04,579 --> 00:43:00,450 you know things progressed from there on 873 00:43:07,700 --> 00:43:04,589 booked going way way back UFOs have been 874 00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:07,710 seen for millennia near they go back 875 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:10,880 it's all documented isn't it through run 876 00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:14,970 yeah it's funny it just you know when 877 00:43:21,319 --> 00:43:17,730 you do any type of researcher I know 878 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:21,329 Jacques PLA with another author did work 879 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:22,890 on you know real or early sightings 880 00:43:29,630 --> 00:43:26,450 going as far back as they could research 881 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:29,640 you know these sightings occurred but 882 00:43:37,940 --> 00:43:33,290 they were never on the regular basis 883 00:43:41,150 --> 00:43:37,950 well I say that now we're so connected 884 00:43:43,460 --> 00:43:41,160 you know prior to being so connected as 885 00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:43,470 we are now there may have been sightings 886 00:43:48,319 --> 00:43:46,200 you know but just that were no one ever 887 00:43:50,690 --> 00:43:48,329 adding place to report them or no one 888 00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:50,700 ever reported them you know you think 889 00:43:56,809 --> 00:43:54,000 you think of a you know a hundred years 890 00:43:58,819 --> 00:43:56,819 ago 150 years ago you know there may 891 00:44:01,730 --> 00:43:58,829 have been many sightings that never made 892 00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:01,740 it to paper you know written down or or 893 00:44:09,980 --> 00:44:05,250 even the herb verbalized or told so well 894 00:44:14,510 --> 00:44:09,990 I've started partly started in the next 895 00:44:16,420 --> 00:44:14,520 book and I'm going into sightings and 896 00:44:18,980 --> 00:44:16,430 different things and Close Encounters 897 00:44:21,319 --> 00:44:18,990 because obviously Close Encounters comes 898 00:44:26,270 --> 00:44:21,329 under seven different categories of 1st 899 00:44:30,140 --> 00:44:26,280 2nd 3rd and 4th etc but just just a 900 00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:30,150 skirt over it really but going back in 901 00:44:36,410 --> 00:44:33,420 ancient Egypt there was a sighting by 902 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:36,420 the Pharaohs and it was reported of orbs 903 00:44:41,690 --> 00:44:40,170 that come over and I don't wanna give 904 00:44:44,329 --> 00:44:41,700 too much quick as I want to put it in 905 00:44:46,460 --> 00:44:44,339 the next book book you know as you're 906 00:44:50,270 --> 00:44:46,470 saying going back that there are 907 00:44:53,590 --> 00:44:50,280 document ated you know examples of 908 00:45:00,320 --> 00:44:53,600 sightings that are there if you look 909 00:45:02,330 --> 00:45:00,330 yeah yeah I I have not bought shox book 910 00:45:04,580 --> 00:45:02,340 in particular but I would like to get it 911 00:45:07,010 --> 00:45:04,590 just to because that that really does 912 00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:07,020 fascinate me now I know there's there's 913 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:10,800 one that is has been debunked the 914 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:12,450 Alexander the Great 915 00:45:19,330 --> 00:45:16,530 sighting that they saw a shield during a 916 00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:19,340 battle up in the sky and all that and 917 00:45:26,750 --> 00:45:23,310 but anyway that ended up only being able 918 00:45:31,850 --> 00:45:26,760 to be researched back I think to 1954 in 919 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:31,860 a novel or some or a fiction novel that 920 00:45:37,460 --> 00:45:34,650 anyway that was basically as far back as 921 00:45:40,070 --> 00:45:37,470 it could be researched so I I don't 922 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:40,080 think that one actually holds any water 923 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:42,570 in particular but there are so many more 924 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:43,410 you know 925 00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:49,770 have been written down which is it's 926 00:45:58,880 --> 00:45:55,440 quite amazing yes and so before we go on 927 00:46:02,900 --> 00:45:58,890 in your book let's talk about the 928 00:46:06,830 --> 00:46:02,910 sighting in France and the helicopter 929 00:46:08,420 --> 00:46:06,840 these two objects go by it was that is 930 00:46:10,670 --> 00:46:08,430 that actually in your book or is that 931 00:46:14,750 --> 00:46:10,680 just something you've looked at no 932 00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:14,760 that's a sexy in my book mind if we skip 933 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:18,660 around a little bit no no fact that was 934 00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:22,410 a ship that had run aground off the 935 00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:24,000 French coast 936 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:27,510 I think it was Anglet on the French 937 00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:31,530 coast and the ship was a cargo ship 938 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:35,910 which is called Lulu know and we'll 939 00:46:43,070 --> 00:46:38,250 basically run aground and and the 940 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:43,080 footage I actually saw when was it going 941 00:46:50,810 --> 00:46:46,770 way back 2014 I think I really saw the 942 00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:50,820 photo take the images and the footage 943 00:46:59,770 --> 00:46:53,910 and the footage was taken from a local 944 00:47:02,090 --> 00:46:59,780 television news broadcast which is since 945 00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:02,100 mysteriously gone missing we can't seem 946 00:47:09,150 --> 00:47:06,160 to trace it now but 947 00:47:12,420 --> 00:47:09,160 I managed to get the short piece out of 948 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:12,430 the footage that I was basically 949 00:47:17,130 --> 00:47:14,410 watching it because the interest was the 950 00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:17,140 the ship which is run aground and 951 00:47:23,490 --> 00:47:21,310 obviously it was a storm etc and people 952 00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:23,500 were being rescued by the helicopters so 953 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:26,110 you know you watch this sort of thing 954 00:47:33,540 --> 00:47:29,650 and as I was watching the footage these 955 00:47:36,930 --> 00:47:33,550 two objects flew right behind it was a 956 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:36,940 military French military helicopter that 957 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:38,770 had got their first they were winching 958 00:47:44,190 --> 00:47:41,170 people off the ship and as I was 959 00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:44,200 watching it these two objects which are 960 00:47:47,100 --> 00:47:45,280 in the book you can see all the 961 00:47:49,620 --> 00:47:47,110 photographs and I have you look on my 962 00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:49,630 youtube channel the footages there as 963 00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:54,720 well and you can see the two craft and 964 00:48:00,660 --> 00:47:57,850 describers craft that they're in close 965 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:00,670 formation and they fly right behind the 966 00:48:06,990 --> 00:48:04,210 helicopter off to the side and the first 967 00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:07,000 impression I thought maybe they were 968 00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:10,000 Birds or you know the usual type of 969 00:48:16,830 --> 00:48:12,160 thing and because you can see all the 970 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:16,840 birds flying around and when I analyze 971 00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:19,810 I'll take a closer look analyze them in 972 00:48:26,700 --> 00:48:22,000 more detail when I actually looked 973 00:48:30,330 --> 00:48:26,710 closer they look metallic in shape and 974 00:48:33,570 --> 00:48:30,340 size and they stayed exactly the same 975 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:33,580 distance from each other and I was 976 00:48:37,950 --> 00:48:36,010 starting to think well where they drones 977 00:48:41,220 --> 00:48:37,960 were they something that were being used 978 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:41,230 by the military at the time was help but 979 00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,810 then they wouldn't be flying drones in 980 00:48:49,620 --> 00:48:45,760 those conditions and especially not 981 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:49,630 close to rescue helicopters etc so I 982 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:52,570 thought it'd be a good one to put in the 983 00:48:57,630 --> 00:48:54,370 book which you know obviously everyone 984 00:49:00,960 --> 00:48:57,640 can see it there they in the book now 985 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:00,970 was his first noticed by when they were 986 00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:03,610 doing the newscast of it or how's it how 987 00:49:10,410 --> 00:49:06,910 did this come out no no and it was it 988 00:49:13,130 --> 00:49:10,420 was myself I was actually watching the 989 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:13,140 footage and like I said it wasn't the 990 00:49:19,350 --> 00:49:16,930 UFOs were the Bowness sort of thing 991 00:49:22,890 --> 00:49:19,360 because I wasn't watching for UFOs 992 00:49:24,690 --> 00:49:22,900 because the the ship at run aground and 993 00:49:26,010 --> 00:49:24,700 it was an interesting story and they 994 00:49:28,500 --> 00:49:26,020 will be rescued you know at the 995 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:28,510 helicopter and then a sat up and took 996 00:49:33,090 --> 00:49:30,490 more notice because it was a military 997 00:49:36,810 --> 00:49:33,100 helicopter and I thought oh yeah okay 998 00:49:40,110 --> 00:49:36,820 maybe they got there first and you start 999 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:40,120 asking more questions and and then as I 1000 00:49:46,350 --> 00:49:43,050 was watching the footage the broadcast 1001 00:49:49,500 --> 00:49:46,360 the the two objects flew past night and 1002 00:49:51,630 --> 00:49:49,510 it made me sit up and and I thought I've 1003 00:49:53,130 --> 00:49:51,640 got to get us still as I've got to get 1004 00:49:55,110 --> 00:49:53,140 have a look and take a proper look 1005 00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:55,120 yourself and it sort of progressed from 1006 00:50:00,570 --> 00:49:58,000 that boy so you're actually the person 1007 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:00,580 that actually uncovered this yeah yeah 1008 00:50:05,310 --> 00:50:02,890 it was yeah how that's that's actually 1009 00:50:07,770 --> 00:50:05,320 really and it's funny you said you 1010 00:50:14,070 --> 00:50:07,780 weren't expecting to see UFOs are we 1011 00:50:16,020 --> 00:50:14,080 ever no not when not when you go out 1012 00:50:17,150 --> 00:50:16,030 intentionally trying to look for the 1013 00:50:20,700 --> 00:50:17,160 porter 1014 00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:20,710 yeah no it was myself who found that the 1015 00:50:27,450 --> 00:50:24,250 UFOs within the footage and it wasn't of 1016 00:50:32,010 --> 00:50:27,460 UFOs originally I was looking I didn't 1017 00:50:35,460 --> 00:50:32,020 even record it I managed to get a video 1018 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:35,470 clip that was on YouTube and like I said 1019 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:38,890 since I've had people approach me and 1020 00:50:43,410 --> 00:50:41,290 then it's gone huge it's made all the 1021 00:50:45,540 --> 00:50:43,420 newspapers the New York Post it went 1022 00:50:48,750 --> 00:50:45,550 everywhere this this right you've been 1023 00:50:50,940 --> 00:50:48,760 all over the world that producers of all 1024 00:50:53,460 --> 00:50:50,950 the channels asking for permission to 1025 00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:53,470 show it and of course I'm gonna say yes 1026 00:50:58,980 --> 00:50:56,710 as you know I just found it I'm not into 1027 00:51:04,500 --> 00:50:58,990 that side of thing you know what I want 1028 00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:04,510 the truth out there and basically you 1029 00:51:09,150 --> 00:51:06,310 know they think it's all been sort of 1030 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:09,160 made and that's how exactly how it came 1031 00:51:15,930 --> 00:51:12,850 about I was watching the the the ship 1032 00:51:18,540 --> 00:51:15,940 run aground accepted and I thought and I 1033 00:51:21,210 --> 00:51:18,550 saw them and I thought because I 1034 00:51:24,990 --> 00:51:21,220 generally watch footage have people send 1035 00:51:27,780 --> 00:51:25,000 me photographs and other things and I'm 1036 00:51:28,620 --> 00:51:27,790 always looking for the the other things 1037 00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:28,630 that are happening 1038 00:51:32,930 --> 00:51:30,730 I don't always look at the the main 1039 00:51:38,089 --> 00:51:32,940 event if you know it may right 1040 00:51:41,809 --> 00:51:38,099 right I know that you must have been 1041 00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:41,819 interested in at least talking to people 1042 00:51:45,500 --> 00:51:43,680 and finding out more about the 1043 00:51:48,620 --> 00:51:45,510 Rendlesham forest case I know that 1044 00:51:52,430 --> 00:51:48,630 happened in 1980 yeah because it was at 1045 00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:52,440 you know the RAF RAF Bentwaters so that 1046 00:52:01,069 --> 00:51:56,730 in particular supposedly there were some 1047 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:01,079 pictures taken but I think they said 1048 00:52:04,190 --> 00:52:03,210 they never came out I think that's what 1049 00:52:12,099 --> 00:52:04,200 it was 1050 00:52:14,809 --> 00:52:12,109 of nights on the base wasn't it yeah and 1051 00:52:16,339 --> 00:52:14,819 I'm supposed to actually be going down 1052 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:16,349 there and spending the night in the 1053 00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:20,010 forest down there I haven't got I've got 1054 00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:22,319 round to it yet because I've got a 1055 00:52:27,650 --> 00:52:24,569 couple my friends down there who were 1056 00:52:30,829 --> 00:52:27,660 into the you know research etc and I 1057 00:52:32,750 --> 00:52:30,839 think Colonel Holt I'll get to meet 1058 00:52:35,900 --> 00:52:32,760 Colonel Holt he's coming over for a 1059 00:52:39,500 --> 00:52:35,910 conference in the UK the outer outer 1060 00:52:43,819 --> 00:52:39,510 limits magazine who I wrote articles for 1061 00:52:45,410 --> 00:52:43,829 as well in whole I think it's September 1062 00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:45,420 makanda the actual date I think it's 1063 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:47,280 September but it's all it's all there on 1064 00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:50,010 internet and Colonel Holt's gonna be one 1065 00:52:55,339 --> 00:52:53,760 of these speakers so I can have a proper 1066 00:53:00,079 --> 00:52:55,349 chat with him hopefully when he comes 1067 00:53:02,990 --> 00:53:00,089 over but very very approachable guy I 1068 00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:03,000 met him first down in North Carolina 1069 00:53:10,579 --> 00:53:06,510 about four four or five years ago very 1070 00:53:12,370 --> 00:53:10,589 approachable nice guy likes things just 1071 00:53:15,050 --> 00:53:12,380 so though you know I mean he's very 1072 00:53:16,460 --> 00:53:15,060 particular and you know someone that's 1073 00:53:20,180 --> 00:53:16,470 going to be a commander of a base is 1074 00:53:24,020 --> 00:53:20,190 gonna be like that yeah of course I mean 1075 00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:24,030 at the time this was a few years after 1076 00:53:31,390 --> 00:53:27,119 because it was it was 1980 Rendlesham 1077 00:53:36,980 --> 00:53:31,400 forest incident happened but in the I 1078 00:53:39,740 --> 00:53:36,990 think of the mid 80s onwards when I was 1079 00:53:41,180 --> 00:53:39,750 at RAF Cosford for my first being it 1080 00:53:45,710 --> 00:53:41,190 costed a couple of times on different 1081 00:53:46,550 --> 00:53:45,720 tours we used to get go out and 1082 00:53:49,010 --> 00:53:46,560 detachment 1083 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:49,020 some things where we go and do guard 1084 00:53:55,820 --> 00:53:52,170 duty of the bases one of the bases I 1085 00:53:58,430 --> 00:53:55,830 went to was Green and Connor you know 1086 00:54:00,530 --> 00:53:58,440 where you use of the the protesters 1087 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:00,540 there for the nuclear weapons than if 1088 00:54:06,070 --> 00:54:02,970 you remember that on the news you serve 1089 00:54:11,570 --> 00:54:06,080 all the women there and that was the 1090 00:54:14,060 --> 00:54:11,580 Menenius base to Bentwaters and but 1091 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:14,070 because Rendlesham forest is the is the 1092 00:54:18,290 --> 00:54:16,250 actual forest there it's Bentwaters 1093 00:54:21,770 --> 00:54:18,300 Woodbridge of the two military bases 1094 00:54:25,790 --> 00:54:21,780 there Woodbridge right yeah yeah 1095 00:54:28,130 --> 00:54:25,800 so and I have a Peter Robbins is coming 1096 00:54:31,550 --> 00:54:28,140 up in a couple of weeks and one of the 1097 00:54:33,530 --> 00:54:31,560 conversations we're going to have is he 1098 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:33,540 had a falling out with his co-author 1099 00:54:39,230 --> 00:54:35,130 we're going to be talking a little bit 1100 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:39,240 about that Larry so there was a question 1101 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:41,130 that not really questions someone said 1102 00:54:45,980 --> 00:54:44,010 the best UFO case and this is up in the 1103 00:54:48,260 --> 00:54:45,990 chat room the best UFO case in the UK is 1104 00:54:52,550 --> 00:54:48,270 the Alan Godfrey encounter are you 1105 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:52,560 familiar with that yeah not in detail 1106 00:54:58,210 --> 00:54:54,690 obviously but I think that we were going 1107 00:55:02,810 --> 00:54:58,220 to discuss it but and yeah Alan was a 1108 00:55:06,500 --> 00:55:02,820 policeman he was on duty at the time not 1109 00:55:08,690 --> 00:55:06,510 sure it was the seventies and he was 1110 00:55:13,220 --> 00:55:08,700 with a colleague the other close 1111 00:55:16,100 --> 00:55:13,230 encounter a ship came down and it's 1112 00:55:18,770 --> 00:55:16,110 quite well documented and he's had quite 1113 00:55:21,740 --> 00:55:18,780 a few talks he started to do conferences 1114 00:55:23,930 --> 00:55:21,750 and things like that so I've missed his 1115 00:55:25,900 --> 00:55:23,940 last one he did so I'm gonna try and 1116 00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:25,910 catch him you know when he does one I 1117 00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:28,650 have a guest coming up in a few weeks 1118 00:55:34,820 --> 00:55:31,130 that the whole show is gonna be about 1119 00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:34,830 police officers and UFO encounters that 1120 00:55:42,070 --> 00:55:37,110 should be that should be to me I think 1121 00:55:45,290 --> 00:55:42,080 and I've had an argued this fact with 1122 00:55:47,690 --> 00:55:45,300 someone before a skeptic that I think 1123 00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:47,700 that actually personally I think that 1124 00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:51,570 police officers are good observers I 1125 00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:54,810 think that they're very credible I mean 1126 00:55:58,400 --> 00:55:56,370 I think they're the last people in the 1127 00:56:00,529 --> 00:55:58,410 world that want to talk about a UFO you 1128 00:56:02,259 --> 00:56:00,539 know really I mean further 1129 00:56:04,489 --> 00:56:02,269 ridicule you go all the way back to 1130 00:56:07,279 --> 00:56:04,499 Lonnie Zamora 1131 00:56:09,259 --> 00:56:07,289 you know the sapporo case you know 1132 00:56:11,959 --> 00:56:09,269 didn't want any of the hassle of 1133 00:56:15,259 --> 00:56:11,969 reporting what he saw but you know a 1134 00:56:17,989 --> 00:56:15,269 very very incredible person yeah anyway 1135 00:56:20,359 --> 00:56:17,999 I always like those those cases yeah 1136 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:20,369 most people like to listen to those who 1137 00:56:26,359 --> 00:56:22,410 like II just said for the credibility of 1138 00:56:30,799 --> 00:56:26,369 the people and the witnesses right and 1139 00:56:33,919 --> 00:56:30,809 witnesses are like are such a big piece 1140 00:56:37,069 --> 00:56:33,929 of the puzzle and in your research in 1141 00:56:39,549 --> 00:56:37,079 your book did you try to actually talk 1142 00:56:41,169 --> 00:56:39,559 to people or did you read accounts of 1143 00:56:44,929 --> 00:56:41,179 witnesses 1144 00:56:47,779 --> 00:56:44,939 it really was cases first that there's a 1145 00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:47,789 couple in there there was ma I think 1146 00:56:54,259 --> 00:56:50,400 that's one at the beginning where it's a 1147 00:56:55,789 --> 00:56:54,269 misidentification um just really go 1148 00:56:57,890 --> 00:56:55,799 through the beginning there Phillip 1149 00:57:02,959 --> 00:56:57,900 mantle he actually sent me two 1150 00:57:06,319 --> 00:57:02,969 photographs of a sighting or supposedly 1151 00:57:09,890 --> 00:57:06,329 sighting that somebody had taken the the 1152 00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:09,900 gentleman was he was actually a civilian 1153 00:57:19,789 --> 00:57:16,609 military lien passenger aircraft pilot 1154 00:57:23,329 --> 00:57:19,799 Brazil surely brazilian anyway he was 1155 00:57:26,749 --> 00:57:23,339 over in Wiltshire in the UK on holiday 1156 00:57:29,209 --> 00:57:26,759 and he took three photographs and what 1157 00:57:33,229 --> 00:57:29,219 the two photographs I was sent by Philip 1158 00:57:36,019 --> 00:57:33,239 first one straightaway I could see it 1159 00:57:39,289 --> 00:57:36,029 was a military aircraft it was a tornado 1160 00:57:41,809 --> 00:57:39,299 was actually the type of aircraft I 1161 00:57:43,459 --> 00:57:41,819 worked on in the Air Force before so I 1162 00:57:45,890 --> 00:57:43,469 knew straight away that it was a 1163 00:57:49,189 --> 00:57:45,900 military aircraft but the second 1164 00:57:51,019 --> 00:57:49,199 photograph the centre of the fact it in 1165 00:57:54,109 --> 00:57:51,029 the book you can see it again it the 1166 00:57:57,079 --> 00:57:54,119 centre of the photograph is a flagpole 1167 00:57:59,120 --> 00:57:57,089 with the Union Jack flag on the top and 1168 00:58:01,729 --> 00:57:59,130 obviously that was the focus of his 1169 00:58:05,809 --> 00:58:01,739 affairs photograph that he was taking 1170 00:58:10,279 --> 00:58:05,819 his topic either side of the flagpole 1171 00:58:14,660 --> 00:58:10,289 you can see - they look like disc shaped 1172 00:58:17,810 --> 00:58:14,670 objects and when I first 1173 00:58:20,090 --> 00:58:17,820 I did actually think we might have 1174 00:58:23,150 --> 00:58:20,100 something here you know go and do the 1175 00:58:26,540 --> 00:58:23,160 proper analysis of it and see what I can 1176 00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:26,550 come up with and then when L say I did 1177 00:58:33,110 --> 00:58:29,330 do the analysis and got further into it 1178 00:58:35,570 --> 00:58:33,120 they they too were military aircraft and 1179 00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:35,580 when I got into the detail and again 1180 00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:38,610 it's all there for you to see one of the 1181 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:41,250 aircraft was banking and it was two more 1182 00:58:46,250 --> 00:58:44,010 military aircraft again and one was 1183 00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,260 banking and one was actually flying away 1184 00:58:52,790 --> 00:58:48,480 and what I've actually done is through 1185 00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:52,800 silhouettes of the aircraft type next to 1186 00:58:56,510 --> 00:58:54,810 it so you can make a comparison and you 1187 00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:56,520 can see it for yourself and when you do 1188 00:59:00,560 --> 00:58:57,930 see you know oh yeah 1189 00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:00,570 of course that's what it is but first 1190 00:59:05,450 --> 00:59:02,960 impression of the photograph and etc 1191 00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:05,460 they were UFOs because they were 1192 00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:08,610 unidentified well you know there's 1193 00:59:13,220 --> 00:59:10,650 there's really something about when an 1194 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:13,230 aircraft is banking and turning and you 1195 00:59:17,630 --> 00:59:15,210 know I mean there are certain times that 1196 00:59:20,570 --> 00:59:17,640 you could snap a picture or see it you 1197 00:59:23,390 --> 00:59:20,580 know even in a video where it looks 1198 00:59:25,940 --> 00:59:23,400 unusual and doesn't look like an 1199 00:59:29,420 --> 00:59:25,950 aircraft at all especially you know at a 1200 00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:29,430 distance yes definitely 1201 00:59:33,530 --> 00:59:31,530 I just wanted to announce I'm going to 1202 00:59:36,590 --> 00:59:33,540 be doing a for the people on YouTube 1203 00:59:39,770 --> 00:59:36,600 it's gonna be on YouTube only this 1204 00:59:42,350 --> 00:59:39,780 Sunday evening on the 29th 1205 00:59:46,730 --> 00:59:42,360 I think it's 9 o'clock I'm going to be 1206 00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:46,740 live doing like a simulcast with a radio 1207 00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:50,610 station going to be talking UFOs but 1208 00:59:54,860 --> 00:59:51,930 that will be here on my youtube channel 1209 00:59:58,340 --> 00:59:54,870 9 o'clock Sunday night and it's also 1210 01:00:01,400 --> 00:59:58,350 going to be on kgr a a radio host over 1211 01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:01,410 there a Cobra is his name 1212 01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:03,450 but we're gonna be talking UFO so Sunday 1213 01:00:08,420 --> 01:00:05,730 night any YouTube listener can listen to 1214 01:00:11,140 --> 01:00:08,430 that so we're at the top of the hour so 1215 01:00:13,340 --> 01:00:11,150 if people would like to call in that 1216 01:00:16,490 --> 01:00:13,350 number is going to be displayed right on 1217 01:00:21,220 --> 01:00:16,500 the screen right now so you can call in 1218 01:00:25,970 --> 01:00:21,230 that number ask our guests a question 1219 01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:25,980 and I'd like to also talk about the 1220 01:00:30,500 --> 01:00:28,530 Argentine case that was a that 1221 01:00:33,140 --> 01:00:30,510 another one and of course I do want you 1222 01:00:34,970 --> 01:00:33,150 to talk about other cases but these are 1223 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:34,980 actually pictures you sent me and I a 1224 01:00:42,110 --> 01:00:37,770 video you sent me and I'd like to 1225 01:00:45,590 --> 01:00:42,120 actually play that video up on the 1226 01:00:47,930 --> 01:00:45,600 Argentine video just so our listeners I 1227 01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:47,940 mean YouTube listeners that is can 1228 01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:49,890 actually see it play so we're gonna run 1229 01:00:55,550 --> 01:00:51,690 that now while we're talking about it 1230 01:00:58,700 --> 01:00:55,560 can you explain and it's a it's a just a 1231 01:01:01,370 --> 01:00:58,710 iPhone video so it's a vertical video 1232 01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:01,380 small vertical video but can you explain 1233 01:01:09,140 --> 01:01:05,280 how that pilot actually caught that I 1234 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:09,150 mean that's such a bizarre thing yeah it 1235 01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:13,770 was an Argentine civilian pilot and and 1236 01:01:20,540 --> 01:01:17,130 he's actually seen UFOs before this this 1237 01:01:23,380 --> 01:01:20,550 actual footage he took himself but he 1238 01:01:28,430 --> 01:01:23,390 didn't take a camera or a phone with him 1239 01:01:32,900 --> 01:01:28,440 etc to to take the photograph of footage 1240 01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:32,910 so this time he sort of expected that he 1241 01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:36,330 was gonna see something obviously he 1242 01:01:41,630 --> 01:01:38,240 doesn't want his name out there and 1243 01:01:44,060 --> 01:01:41,640 finished job or etc I'm not sure you 1244 01:01:48,590 --> 01:01:44,070 know and confidentiality 1245 01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:48,600 it's a you've got to respect that but 1246 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:51,690 the as you can see you could see the 1247 01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:53,930 footage plane you can see the propeller 1248 01:01:58,510 --> 01:01:56,130 going in front of him he's looking 1249 01:02:01,490 --> 01:01:58,520 through it forward through the forward 1250 01:02:04,580 --> 01:02:01,500 windscreen of the aircraft and he can 1251 01:02:09,470 --> 01:02:04,590 obviously see the object coming up from 1252 01:02:12,140 --> 01:02:09,480 his left hand side of the aircraft at 1253 01:02:14,180 --> 01:02:12,150 high velocity towards his craft and he 1254 01:02:17,860 --> 01:02:14,190 must have been thinking it's it's either 1255 01:02:21,410 --> 01:02:17,870 gonna hit his crack is his airplane etc 1256 01:02:23,930 --> 01:02:21,420 you just don't know and then you'll see 1257 01:02:28,180 --> 01:02:23,940 in the video you can see a larger craft 1258 01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:28,190 pass right in front of the his aircraft 1259 01:02:34,340 --> 01:02:31,680 dangerously close and it's followed by a 1260 01:02:36,740 --> 01:02:34,350 smaller craft and he's obviously feeling 1261 01:02:41,030 --> 01:02:36,750 a bit whatever because you can see the 1262 01:02:42,260 --> 01:02:41,040 camera shake et cetera and then he's 1263 01:02:44,570 --> 01:02:42,270 looking at the two 1264 01:02:46,610 --> 01:02:44,580 craft but still filming for words which 1265 01:02:48,740 --> 01:02:46,620 I wish he'd actually turned his camera 1266 01:02:53,180 --> 01:02:48,750 but he didn't he carried on filming for 1267 01:02:55,370 --> 01:02:53,190 words the two objects then grouped 1268 01:02:58,550 --> 01:02:55,380 together on the right-hand side of his 1269 01:03:02,120 --> 01:02:58,560 aircraft and then came back in front of 1270 01:03:05,420 --> 01:03:02,130 his aircraft in close formation again at 1271 01:03:08,780 --> 01:03:05,430 high velocity right in front and then 1272 01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:08,790 took off to the left again as he flew on 1273 01:03:13,580 --> 01:03:10,650 and then he put his phone down and you 1274 01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:13,590 can see all this in the footage amazing 1275 01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:17,520 and now why does this propeller look 1276 01:03:21,170 --> 01:03:19,050 like that is that just because of the 1277 01:03:24,860 --> 01:03:21,180 filming or something but yeah something 1278 01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:24,870 very slowly yeah you'll get that effect 1279 01:03:31,970 --> 01:03:29,490 through any propeller when you film in 1280 01:03:34,610 --> 01:03:31,980 it you'll get the the effect that gets 1281 01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:34,620 moving slowly you get the effect of car 1282 01:03:39,860 --> 01:03:37,890 wheels sometimes or bike when you were a 1283 01:03:42,620 --> 01:03:39,870 child with your bike you can put lights 1284 01:03:45,380 --> 01:03:42,630 on you yeah your spokes if your wheels 1285 01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:45,390 and yeah as the as you go fast it gives 1286 01:03:51,230 --> 01:03:47,490 the illusion doesn't have going slowly 1287 01:03:52,940 --> 01:03:51,240 or backwards or oh yeah yeah yes it's 1288 01:03:55,460 --> 01:03:52,950 it's the same sort of effect with the 1289 01:03:58,370 --> 01:03:55,470 propellers it's the revolutions are so 1290 01:04:00,350 --> 01:03:58,380 fast if the camera just picks up 1291 01:04:03,070 --> 01:04:00,360 fractions of them you know as they're 1292 01:04:07,700 --> 01:04:03,080 moving I see I see 1293 01:04:10,370 --> 01:04:07,710 so this is just bizarre that he had seen 1294 01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:10,380 them before and that he actually decided 1295 01:04:15,050 --> 01:04:12,570 to film this time I mean was he flying 1296 01:04:18,110 --> 01:04:15,060 over the same basic area that he flew 1297 01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:18,120 before I mean how did he I don't know 1298 01:04:22,700 --> 01:04:20,640 yeah I don't know whether he just he'd 1299 01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:22,710 seen them before I don't know how many 1300 01:04:30,620 --> 01:04:27,920 times and seen UFOs before and he just 1301 01:04:31,550 --> 01:04:30,630 expected to see them again so he took 1302 01:04:35,030 --> 01:04:31,560 his camera 1303 01:04:38,780 --> 01:04:35,040 his phone with him this time and that's 1304 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:38,790 why the film footage is in the it's not 1305 01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:41,930 in a a landscape view it's in the 1306 01:04:48,770 --> 01:04:44,970 vertical view like a taken on a mobile 1307 01:04:52,549 --> 01:04:48,780 phone so and and the older mobile phones 1308 01:04:56,839 --> 01:04:52,559 obviously the quality isn't as good as 1309 01:05:00,829 --> 01:04:56,849 phone nowadays so the quality is the 1310 01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:00,839 best at the time I suppose but it 1311 01:05:05,900 --> 01:05:03,650 fascinates me it's one of my favorites 1312 01:05:10,789 --> 01:05:05,910 absolutely when Woods has taken actually 1313 01:05:13,939 --> 01:05:10,799 I think it was 2014 again so there's two 1314 01:05:16,489 --> 01:05:13,949 two of these right the same year yes yep 1315 01:05:21,289 --> 01:05:16,499 I think it was yes 1316 01:05:23,449 --> 01:05:21,299 but yeah I still watch it there was the 1317 01:05:27,289 --> 01:05:23,459 luck to click on and have a look every 1318 01:05:33,079 --> 01:05:27,299 now and again and just the Wow and I've 1319 01:05:34,579 --> 01:05:33,089 shown no the UF ologists when I've been 1320 01:05:36,499 --> 01:05:34,589 to conferences because I've had this 1321 01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:36,509 footage for quite a while and I've 1322 01:05:40,999 --> 01:05:39,119 posted in a while back book obviously 1323 01:05:44,449 --> 01:05:41,009 when I first started a lot of people 1324 01:05:46,699 --> 01:05:44,459 didn't follow the page or you didn't 1325 01:05:48,739 --> 01:05:46,709 really get the the coverage like I do 1326 01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:48,749 now when a fox would think out there so 1327 01:05:57,650 --> 01:05:52,559 a lot of videos I've got if you go back 1328 01:06:00,289 --> 01:05:57,660 over my archives on YouTube really this 1329 01:06:02,449 --> 01:06:00,299 some really good footage on there so you 1330 01:06:05,630 --> 01:06:02,459 happen to know how fast the airplane 1331 01:06:08,329 --> 01:06:05,640 itself was going approximately I don't 1332 01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:08,339 know how fast but it's cruising 1333 01:06:14,059 --> 01:06:11,130 altitudes I mean your first impression 1334 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:14,069 you can see the cloud base so it's 1335 01:06:20,329 --> 01:06:16,170 probably around about four or five 1336 01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:20,339 thousand feet so you can rule out bugs 1337 01:06:28,429 --> 01:06:26,130 and insects at that altitude people have 1338 01:06:30,319 --> 01:06:28,439 said that you get them but the more you 1339 01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:30,329 look at the footage the more you look at 1340 01:06:35,299 --> 01:06:32,880 the I mean the footage there for anybody 1341 01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:35,309 to look at it's there for anybody to 1342 01:06:41,689 --> 01:06:38,640 analyse or to have a look themselves so 1343 01:06:43,669 --> 01:06:41,699 you know if somebody comes back with 1344 01:06:46,609 --> 01:06:43,679 something else I haven't seen that be 1345 01:06:50,539 --> 01:06:46,619 made up you know to see something that I 1346 01:06:52,849 --> 01:06:50,549 haven't seen has anyone suggested that 1347 01:06:54,859 --> 01:06:52,859 their Birds because that's a the very 1348 01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:54,869 first thing I thought was Birds but then 1349 01:06:59,959 --> 01:06:57,599 when they come back I mean it just 1350 01:07:03,229 --> 01:06:59,969 doesn't mean unless there were two other 1351 01:07:06,020 --> 01:07:03,239 birds you know I mean yeah it makes 1352 01:07:08,900 --> 01:07:06,030 sense even if it was 1353 01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:08,910 first pass I don't think they would come 1354 01:07:14,450 --> 01:07:11,280 back again yeah you know why for the 1355 01:07:17,570 --> 01:07:14,460 flame eight planes moving along it at 1356 01:07:18,350 --> 01:07:17,580 least a hundred knots 150 knots and 1357 01:07:21,710 --> 01:07:18,360 saliste 1358 01:07:26,270 --> 01:07:21,720 yeah so you know the birds would have to 1359 01:07:28,550 --> 01:07:26,280 be going forwards as well as sideways to 1360 01:07:32,270 --> 01:07:28,560 come back and to come back in formation 1361 01:07:34,850 --> 01:07:32,280 it's just no the more you watch the 1362 01:07:38,030 --> 01:07:34,860 actual footage the factory the more 1363 01:07:40,730 --> 01:07:38,040 questions you start asking yeah I know a 1364 01:07:42,890 --> 01:07:40,740 swift can go on a downward turn I sound 1365 01:07:43,340 --> 01:07:42,900 like I'm an Monty Python search for the 1366 01:07:46,060 --> 01:07:43,350 Holy Grail 1367 01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:46,070 but I know a a Swift can do a downward 1368 01:07:51,740 --> 01:07:49,200 you know at like 200 miles an hour but 1369 01:07:53,870 --> 01:07:51,750 it's using the angle and in the wind and 1370 01:07:55,850 --> 01:07:53,880 all that to be able to do that type of 1371 01:07:58,580 --> 01:07:55,860 speed and it's a downward speed too 1372 01:08:01,550 --> 01:07:58,590 oh yeah yeah there's no bird that's 1373 01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:01,560 gonna be flying ahead of airplane not 1374 01:08:06,860 --> 01:08:03,570 that I know of not unless it's gonna be 1375 01:08:10,490 --> 01:08:06,870 a bad strike so yeah that's right 1376 01:08:13,940 --> 01:08:10,500 alright so again we are taking calls to 1377 01:08:17,599 --> 01:08:13,950 someone like to give our guest a call 1378 01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:17,609 we'd love to have you call in and that 1379 01:08:23,270 --> 01:08:19,440 number is coming right up on our screen 1380 01:08:25,610 --> 01:08:23,280 here in a second it's a again you can 1381 01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:25,620 call in during the show only if you 1382 01:08:33,140 --> 01:08:27,120 would that number is only live during 1383 01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:33,150 the show it's 6:03 967 403 oh let's talk 1384 01:08:42,650 --> 01:08:39,330 about some other some other photos or 1385 01:08:46,730 --> 01:08:42,660 things that you worked on in in the book 1386 01:08:48,770 --> 01:08:46,740 in particular trying to come up with 1387 01:08:51,050 --> 01:08:48,780 some really good one that they're all 1388 01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:51,060 good in their own respect and you know 1389 01:08:57,260 --> 01:08:54,330 through the decades going through and we 1390 01:09:01,520 --> 01:08:57,270 have got a friend of mine over here in 1391 01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:01,530 UK Murray Kiley and she's been having 1392 01:09:07,579 --> 01:09:04,799 experiences and she's got a lot of 1393 01:09:12,700 --> 01:09:07,589 videos on YouTube of of experiences and 1394 01:09:15,710 --> 01:09:12,710 etc you know really good sightings and 1395 01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:15,720 she was actually over in Sri Lanka and 1396 01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:19,440 took photographs of a disc-shaped object 1397 01:09:22,459 --> 01:09:19,920 and you 1398 01:09:25,039 --> 01:09:22,469 see it there on the photographs I 1399 01:09:28,939 --> 01:09:25,049 analyzed and I didn't really have to do 1400 01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:28,949 an awful lot of detail on this one 1401 01:09:35,539 --> 01:09:31,279 because the photographs were that good 1402 01:09:40,010 --> 01:09:35,549 and she is constantly taking photographs 1403 01:09:44,030 --> 01:09:40,020 now in the UK of the chemtrails and 1404 01:09:47,689 --> 01:09:44,040 seeing orb shape craft around the 1405 01:09:49,610 --> 01:09:47,699 chemtrails themselves and I've analyzed 1406 01:09:52,010 --> 01:09:49,620 quite a few photographs of when you get 1407 01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:52,020 in close to them and see them they look 1408 01:09:59,540 --> 01:09:56,610 metallic and she can see multiple crafts 1409 01:10:03,020 --> 01:09:59,550 around the chemtrails in and out and 1410 01:10:05,180 --> 01:10:03,030 they're quite amazing to see really we 1411 01:10:07,580 --> 01:10:05,190 have a caller that just called in so I'd 1412 01:10:08,959 --> 01:10:07,590 like to take the call and call her your 1413 01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:08,969 first name and where are you calling 1414 01:10:15,919 --> 01:10:14,250 from hi Steve 1415 01:10:18,669 --> 01:10:15,929 welcome to the show do you have a 1416 01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:18,679 question for our guests 1417 01:10:24,229 --> 01:10:22,560 yeah I just a couple of comments for 1418 01:10:25,939 --> 01:10:24,239 quicken when he said at the beginning of 1419 01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:25,949 this show that his sighting was when he 1420 01:10:34,220 --> 01:10:31,440 was 7 that that same for me and and the 1421 01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:34,230 result of that has been my whole life I 1422 01:10:38,410 --> 01:10:35,850 kind of followed you followed you I 1423 01:10:40,459 --> 01:10:38,420 don't believe most of what I hear but 1424 01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:40,469 but I just I thought that was 1425 01:10:44,930 --> 01:10:41,850 interesting it's one of the things I 1426 01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:44,940 always look for when I hear somebody 1427 01:10:49,729 --> 01:10:46,890 talk about a sighting is do they have 1428 01:10:53,090 --> 01:10:49,739 that sense of wonderment that because 1429 01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:53,100 that that has stayed with me my whole 1430 01:10:59,209 --> 01:10:55,920 life and like when I hear Bob Lazar talk 1431 01:11:03,380 --> 01:10:59,219 I just I never hear any of that it's 1432 01:11:05,930 --> 01:11:03,390 always like this beast of burden you 1433 01:11:08,570 --> 01:11:05,940 know sorry I thought that was 1434 01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:08,580 interesting and Mike my question has to 1435 01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:11,520 do with Rendlesham I'm assuming you're 1436 01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:15,449 familiar with the whole memo that he 1437 01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:17,250 wrote that caused the whole thing to be 1438 01:11:23,810 --> 01:11:19,679 released to the public the one-page memo 1439 01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:23,820 have you read that I have salt yeah yeah 1440 01:11:30,530 --> 01:11:28,800 pulse of it yeah okay so I've tried to 1441 01:11:32,450 --> 01:11:30,540 ask him this I tried to get a straight 1442 01:11:33,570 --> 01:11:32,460 answer on this in that memo he talks 1443 01:11:35,790 --> 01:11:33,580 about 1444 01:11:40,290 --> 01:11:35,800 lights being visible to the north of the 1445 01:11:42,530 --> 01:11:40,300 base for out for an hour and to the 1446 01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:42,540 south of the base for three hours and 1447 01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:45,730 yet nobody ever talks about scrambling 1448 01:11:54,780 --> 01:11:51,610 jets now they don't actually and and I 1449 01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:54,790 mean can be that this is this is during 1450 01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:57,250 the Cold War and this is tip of the 1451 01:12:03,450 --> 01:12:00,640 spear I mean this base has bombers and 1452 01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:03,460 they did have nukes because I've heard 1453 01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:06,370 them say in interviews they can't say 1454 01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:08,890 there was an nukes but they they go to 1455 01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:10,450 great lengths to identify the 1456 01:12:22,910 --> 01:12:18,130 non-nuclear storage yeah so nothing I'm 1457 01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:22,920 guessing you're right on that yeah yeah 1458 01:12:29,820 --> 01:12:27,250 I mean this is the whole problem with 1459 01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:29,830 having a sighting at 7:00 and having to 1460 01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:31,690 follow ufology for all these years when 1461 01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:34,570 you there's these giant holes in these 1462 01:12:41,780 --> 01:12:36,640 cases that just don't make any sense 1463 01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:45,750 I'm sorry I can't hear ya yeah um can 1464 01:12:55,050 --> 01:12:50,130 you hear me I can hear you I can hear ya 1465 01:12:56,730 --> 01:12:55,060 yeah no I'm just wondering wondering if 1466 01:12:59,130 --> 01:12:56,740 you have a take on that and do you look 1467 01:13:02,010 --> 01:12:59,140 for do you look for that when you 1468 01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:02,020 research a case it do you try and tie in 1469 01:13:07,860 --> 01:13:04,090 that sense of wonderment that you got 1470 01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:07,870 from your sighting yeah you generally 1471 01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:11,110 try to look what when you get a sight 1472 01:13:16,830 --> 01:13:14,530 you know anything else related to the 1473 01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:16,840 sight and you generally try to look at 1474 01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:21,250 all the things that could happen around 1475 01:13:27,890 --> 01:13:24,730 it so other sightings of civilian 1476 01:13:31,590 --> 01:13:27,900 aircraft of the military aircraft and 1477 01:13:35,130 --> 01:13:31,600 anything Gimli around that area or 1478 01:13:37,770 --> 01:13:35,140 location of the sighting weather comes 1479 01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:37,780 into fact you know it goes back to the 1480 01:13:42,780 --> 01:13:40,330 old days people say you saw swamp gas 1481 01:13:45,300 --> 01:13:42,790 which is a joke really but you know 1482 01:13:47,220 --> 01:13:45,310 other weather conditions can affect 1483 01:13:51,330 --> 01:13:47,230 things as well 1484 01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:51,340 I've got a good friend in the UK Paul 1485 01:13:58,050 --> 01:13:55,090 Sinclair he does truth proof and he does 1486 01:14:03,240 --> 01:13:58,060 a lot of research into military and UFOs 1487 01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:03,250 and things like that especially in UK to 1488 01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:06,490 be to be honest yeah you do get an awful 1489 01:14:11,070 --> 01:14:08,770 lot of when when something is cited 1490 01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:11,080 you'll get the military will do scramble 1491 01:14:17,610 --> 01:14:14,770 aircraft to go and then again you go 1492 01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:17,620 back over the decades where in the 1493 01:14:22,170 --> 01:14:19,840 earlier days they were always told to 1494 01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:22,180 shoot on sight and then be lost to many 1495 01:14:29,010 --> 01:14:25,810 aircraft through sightings and being 1496 01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:29,020 brought down etc so they were told not 1497 01:14:33,150 --> 01:14:31,840 to shoot and just observe and well 1498 01:14:35,540 --> 01:14:33,160 that's the first time I've actually 1499 01:14:38,450 --> 01:14:35,550 thought about what you just said where 1500 01:14:42,330 --> 01:14:38,460 no one's ever said before about 1501 01:14:44,850 --> 01:14:42,340 scrambling military aircraft to it one 1502 01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:44,860 thing I would if I could just interject 1503 01:14:48,540 --> 01:14:46,810 right here for just a second one thing I 1504 01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:48,550 was noticing up on the chat room they 1505 01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:51,010 were talking about the radar now the 1506 01:14:56,190 --> 01:14:53,890 radar actually the memo itself was 1507 01:14:58,200 --> 01:14:56,200 misstated it was dated there was an 1508 01:15:01,650 --> 01:14:58,210 error in the date it was one date one 1509 01:15:04,770 --> 01:15:01,660 day off so when they started doing 1510 01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:04,780 research initially into the radar there 1511 01:15:10,380 --> 01:15:06,730 was nothing shown on radar but it was 1512 01:15:12,620 --> 01:15:10,390 the wrong day so it actually did come 1513 01:15:18,860 --> 01:15:12,630 back as they actually did have a radar 1514 01:15:21,180 --> 01:15:18,870 on on that those objects actually yeah 1515 01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:21,190 tell me this wouldn't be that big a 1516 01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:24,010 problem if it wasn't three hours I mean 1517 01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:27,210 he put its eyes visible for three hours 1518 01:15:31,710 --> 01:15:29,920 yeah why didn't it handle jets that does 1519 01:15:33,210 --> 01:15:31,720 that that is something I have not 1520 01:15:35,100 --> 01:15:33,220 thought of Steve and that's actually a 1521 01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:35,110 really good point yeah it is a really 1522 01:15:41,190 --> 01:15:39,280 good point yeah with that and just one 1523 01:15:42,150 --> 01:15:41,200 quick compliment James Fox said 1524 01:15:44,940 --> 01:15:42,160 something I thought it was the most 1525 01:15:48,300 --> 01:15:44,950 brilliant thing about ideology follow 1526 01:15:51,420 --> 01:15:48,310 gee that really really fits with your 1527 01:15:53,130 --> 01:15:51,430 book and just from listening to your 1528 01:15:58,110 --> 01:15:53,140 interview and that he said you know the 1529 01:16:00,360 --> 01:15:58,120 topic is the topic is is compelling 1530 01:16:00,990 --> 01:16:00,370 enough by itself and if you can just 1531 01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:01,000 bring cred 1532 01:16:07,260 --> 01:16:03,280 ability to it you've got a winner and 1533 01:16:08,820 --> 01:16:07,270 and your book sounds like that that the 1534 01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:08,830 problem listening to you follows you is 1535 01:16:16,530 --> 01:16:11,650 you get so many people are just out 1536 01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:16,540 there like Pluto and and I your book 1537 01:16:21,180 --> 01:16:18,610 sounds like it it really goes right at 1538 01:16:24,750 --> 01:16:21,190 just bringing legitimacy to you know 1539 01:16:27,170 --> 01:16:24,760 bringing real physical evidence to to 1540 01:16:30,750 --> 01:16:27,180 the public and so a compliment for you 1541 01:16:34,530 --> 01:16:30,760 okay Steve thanks for the call yeah 1542 01:16:41,100 --> 01:16:34,540 thank you guys all right take care all 1543 01:16:43,230 --> 01:16:41,110 right so yeah that that is something you 1544 01:16:44,820 --> 01:16:43,240 know when oh by the way the name of your 1545 01:16:46,590 --> 01:16:44,830 book I want you to actually hold your 1546 01:16:51,480 --> 01:16:46,600 book I know you haven't funnier than 1547 01:16:53,190 --> 01:16:51,490 watching you through it and you guys 1548 01:16:53,670 --> 01:16:53,200 move it around a little bit yeah there 1549 01:16:57,090 --> 01:16:53,680 you go 1550 01:16:58,800 --> 01:16:57,100 okay so it's UFO photo and it's kind of 1551 01:17:01,500 --> 01:16:58,810 I love the way you kind of join the two 1552 01:17:03,810 --> 01:17:01,510 names their UFO photos the name of the 1553 01:17:05,730 --> 01:17:03,820 book and now let me just ask you what 1554 01:17:08,460 --> 01:17:05,740 type of photos do you have inside of 1555 01:17:10,590 --> 01:17:08,470 this book do you have actually you know 1556 01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:10,600 good clear pictures do you show examples 1557 01:17:16,140 --> 01:17:12,880 yes well some are on the front there you 1558 01:17:19,590 --> 01:17:16,150 can see ya are in the book itself and 1559 01:17:22,500 --> 01:17:19,600 where they analyse the UFOs I mean there 1560 01:17:26,340 --> 01:17:22,510 was one where the Trent go back to the 1561 01:17:29,940 --> 01:17:26,350 Trent case yes and that there actually 1562 01:17:31,950 --> 01:17:29,950 see them there and I had he found when I 1563 01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:31,960 analyzed the photographs in in more 1564 01:17:38,730 --> 01:17:35,050 depth and went into more detail that I 1565 01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:38,740 could find to me I they look like 1566 01:17:46,650 --> 01:17:41,530 exhaust pipes on the back of an aircraft 1567 01:17:49,500 --> 01:17:46,660 and I thought maybe that the craft was 1568 01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:49,510 actually flying away from so it looks 1569 01:17:54,420 --> 01:17:52,450 like a disc because when actually again 1570 01:17:57,540 --> 01:17:54,430 analyze the photograph went into more 1571 01:18:02,190 --> 01:17:57,550 detail you can see they look like two 1572 01:18:06,180 --> 01:18:02,200 wings on the side which again yeah so if 1573 01:18:09,150 --> 01:18:06,190 you go in and see it again it's just my 1574 01:18:11,070 --> 01:18:09,160 take it's just my opinion and everybody 1575 01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:11,080 else will have their own opinion on the 1576 01:18:14,729 --> 01:18:13,810 book and that's really my aim with the 1577 01:18:16,470 --> 01:18:14,739 book is just 1578 01:18:19,500 --> 01:18:16,480 caught the case is out there for people 1579 01:18:23,100 --> 01:18:19,510 to see the analyzed photographs I've 1580 01:18:24,870 --> 01:18:23,110 done detail in the book and then let 1581 01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:24,880 them come up with their own idea 1582 01:18:29,879 --> 01:18:28,480 now the McMinnville UFO photographs have 1583 01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:29,889 did you look into that one in particular 1584 01:18:36,270 --> 01:18:33,130 is that in your book so my release has 1585 01:18:39,899 --> 01:18:36,280 someone send me that question yeah yeah 1586 01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:39,909 did maybe a hippie yeah that's it yeah 1587 01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:43,449 the Trent UFO isn't it yeah McMinnville 1588 01:18:52,830 --> 01:18:48,730 and I basically with that one that's the 1589 01:18:55,919 --> 01:18:52,840 one I did find where there was two main 1590 01:18:58,560 --> 01:18:55,929 photographs original photographs and 1591 01:19:01,169 --> 01:18:58,570 what I did I did an overlay of the two 1592 01:19:04,319 --> 01:19:01,179 photographs then it proves that the 1593 01:19:05,970 --> 01:19:04,329 object is moved the person has moved to 1594 01:19:08,959 --> 01:19:05,980 who took the photograph 1595 01:19:11,549 --> 01:19:08,969 it proves that they have actually moved 1596 01:19:14,069 --> 01:19:11,559 and that was the one when I went into 1597 01:19:16,529 --> 01:19:14,079 more details and you can see on there 1598 01:19:19,709 --> 01:19:16,539 where I went into more detail on the 1599 01:19:23,399 --> 01:19:19,719 craft yeah so can you see that you can 1600 01:19:26,220 --> 01:19:23,409 see the two exhausts there oh so this is 1601 01:19:27,989 --> 01:19:26,230 the one I'll say this is the one you 1602 01:19:29,910 --> 01:19:27,999 were just talking about that's what I 1603 01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:29,920 was just talking about where windmill 1604 01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:33,010 McMinnville in Trent I see our Trent 1605 01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:35,050 farm that's right that's right 1606 01:19:40,739 --> 01:19:37,570 O'Connor both you can see on the craft 1607 01:19:44,609 --> 01:19:40,749 above you see the it looks possible 1608 01:19:47,279 --> 01:19:44,619 antenna but it also could be a fin like 1609 01:19:49,470 --> 01:19:47,289 a fin of an aircraft now when you look 1610 01:19:52,290 --> 01:19:49,480 at the picture at a distance it looks 1611 01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:52,300 like a perfectly shaped disc yeah you 1612 01:19:58,169 --> 01:19:55,690 know but but I can see where you're 1613 01:20:02,160 --> 01:19:58,179 getting at now I know that mark D 1614 01:20:03,689 --> 01:20:02,170 Antonio actually thought he had he was 1615 01:20:06,450 --> 01:20:03,699 the one I just spoke about earlier that 1616 01:20:08,370 --> 01:20:06,460 the MUFON photo analyst video analyst 1617 01:20:10,620 --> 01:20:08,380 yeah he actually thought he could see 1618 01:20:12,209 --> 01:20:10,630 something a little fishy about that 1619 01:20:16,020 --> 01:20:12,219 photograph I'll have to ask him what 1620 01:20:18,270 --> 01:20:16,030 he's he found yeah everyone's detail and 1621 01:20:21,209 --> 01:20:18,280 again like I said but the weather you 1622 01:20:24,810 --> 01:20:21,219 can see they I could see the wings on 1623 01:20:27,029 --> 01:20:24,820 the side so I've actually outlined them 1624 01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:27,039 there see them there and then underneath 1625 01:20:30,650 --> 01:20:28,050 as a 1626 01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:30,660 wit UFO case of a craft that looks very 1627 01:20:37,550 --> 01:20:34,770 similar Wow so you think this thing was 1628 01:20:39,230 --> 01:20:37,560 actually heading away from I don't think 1629 01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:39,240 they took the picture yeah actually 1630 01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:41,760 flying away so you've got the two tail 1631 01:20:47,300 --> 01:20:44,090 people have also said they could be 1632 01:20:50,900 --> 01:20:47,310 Windows again it's up to what people see 1633 01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:50,910 in the photographs but my interpretation 1634 01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:54,000 is again a lot of these cases when I 1635 01:21:00,350 --> 01:20:57,210 looked into more detail they just seemed 1636 01:21:02,300 --> 01:21:00,360 to offer up more questions really that 1637 01:21:03,980 --> 01:21:02,310 you'd be thinking well that's not where 1638 01:21:06,770 --> 01:21:03,990 I used to see it's not where I used to 1639 01:21:08,900 --> 01:21:06,780 look at in the photograph and I don't 1640 01:21:10,670 --> 01:21:08,910 remember it being that way but when you 1641 01:21:14,510 --> 01:21:10,680 go into data and you see with the 1642 01:21:17,480 --> 01:21:14,520 filtered photographs and the the 1643 01:21:21,170 --> 01:21:17,490 enhancement anthro graph more things 1644 01:21:23,480 --> 01:21:21,180 come out now what this is this is kind 1645 01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:23,490 of a little bit off-topic but all right 1646 01:21:28,340 --> 01:21:25,440 so every year they celebrate the 1647 01:21:30,650 --> 01:21:28,350 McMinnville they have a festival to 1648 01:21:33,470 --> 01:21:30,660 celebrate the McMinnville a picture UFO 1649 01:21:37,580 --> 01:21:33,480 pictures what happens to people that are 1650 01:21:40,670 --> 01:21:37,590 vested in the story you know I mean I 1651 01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:40,680 see I've seen this happen where someone 1652 01:21:44,810 --> 01:21:42,210 has vested in a story and they don't 1653 01:21:47,390 --> 01:21:44,820 want to they don't want to back down 1654 01:21:50,420 --> 01:21:47,400 they they want to hang on to it's their 1655 01:21:51,770 --> 01:21:50,430 it's their bailiwick it's their I don't 1656 01:21:55,010 --> 01:21:51,780 want to say cash cow because no one 1657 01:21:57,020 --> 01:21:55,020 really makes a lot of money anyway from 1658 01:21:58,970 --> 01:21:57,030 any of this but I mean it's it's 1659 01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:58,980 something they have you encountered 1660 01:22:02,390 --> 01:22:00,480 anything like that we have a call coming 1661 01:22:06,050 --> 01:22:02,400 in why don't we hold that thought and 1662 01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:06,060 we'll get to it okay yeah sure caller 1663 01:22:11,790 --> 01:22:08,370 welcome to the show your first name and 1664 01:22:16,130 --> 01:22:13,720 [Music] 1665 01:22:17,480 --> 01:22:16,140 okay I don't know if you have bad 1666 01:22:21,550 --> 01:22:17,490 connection I can barely hear you 1667 01:22:24,050 --> 01:22:21,560 how you doing calling from Florida yep 1668 01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:24,060 all right maybe you should try to hold 1669 01:22:28,670 --> 01:22:25,440 the phone away from you just a little 1670 01:22:30,830 --> 01:22:28,680 bit and you have a question for our 1671 01:22:34,370 --> 01:22:30,840 guest now yeah that sounds a little 1672 01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:34,380 better yes yeah you have a question yeah 1673 01:22:40,949 --> 01:22:34,770 go ahead 1674 01:22:43,770 --> 01:22:40,959 I just come what is his baby 1675 01:22:48,929 --> 01:22:43,780 case from the UK whether it's you know 1676 01:22:52,679 --> 01:22:48,939 Kotick under-17 can you understand that 1677 01:22:54,750 --> 01:22:52,689 I think your phone is acting up I got 1678 01:23:01,919 --> 01:22:54,760 faith the favorite what is my favorite 1679 01:23:05,580 --> 01:23:01,929 case yeah whether the Cosford case 1680 01:23:08,250 --> 01:23:05,590 obviously the had a lot to do with and 1681 01:23:12,350 --> 01:23:08,260 with Nick Pope and things like that a 1682 01:23:14,819 --> 01:23:12,360 lot of research into it 1683 01:23:16,739 --> 01:23:14,829 Rendell soon I'll do like Rendlesham 1684 01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:16,749 forest obviously the case but if you 1685 01:23:23,699 --> 01:23:20,530 look into Paul Sinclair who's another 1686 01:23:28,169 --> 01:23:23,709 UFO gist and he's got two books out 1687 01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:28,179 truth proof one and two if you look at 1688 01:23:34,049 --> 01:23:32,050 his cases he comes up with really 1689 01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:34,059 bizarre things that have happened and 1690 01:23:40,140 --> 01:23:36,489 sightings of people have reported to 1691 01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:40,150 because he's a real like to get out in 1692 01:23:47,759 --> 01:23:45,130 the field and investigate he also has 1693 01:23:51,060 --> 01:23:47,769 talks as well you can watch I think 1694 01:23:55,229 --> 01:23:51,070 you'll get a lot of good sightings from 1695 01:23:57,689 --> 01:23:55,239 him throughout the UK their sightings 1696 01:24:02,419 --> 01:23:57,699 all the time just like in America and 1697 01:24:04,709 --> 01:24:02,429 everywhere around the world and again 1698 01:24:10,020 --> 01:24:04,719 depending you'll get different types of 1699 01:24:14,689 --> 01:24:10,030 craft cylindrical triangular disc shaped 1700 01:24:18,359 --> 01:24:14,699 orbs the orbs are seem to be more now 1701 01:24:19,290 --> 01:24:18,369 becoming more with the chemtrails and 1702 01:24:21,509 --> 01:24:19,300 things like that 1703 01:24:24,839 --> 01:24:21,519 I do get an awful lot of people sending 1704 01:24:26,910 --> 01:24:24,849 me pictures of orbs and within the orbs 1705 01:24:28,830 --> 01:24:26,920 as well when I'm analyzed photographs of 1706 01:24:32,390 --> 01:24:28,840 those you can actually make out faces 1707 01:24:34,679 --> 01:24:32,400 and whether their extraterrestrial 1708 01:24:38,339 --> 01:24:34,689 interdimensional beings we don't know 1709 01:24:42,810 --> 01:24:38,349 but that have also done videos on that 1710 01:24:45,299 --> 01:24:42,820 we're and photographs so yeah that 1711 01:24:47,939 --> 01:24:45,309 there's just so many sightings and they 1712 01:24:51,359 --> 01:24:47,949 keep coming in all the time you know I 1713 01:24:54,580 --> 01:24:51,369 have to analyze quite a few yeah hey 1714 01:24:58,419 --> 01:24:54,590 thanks for the call Nick I 1715 01:24:59,709 --> 01:24:58,429 thank you all right you know I don't 1716 01:25:03,990 --> 01:24:59,719 remember the question I asked you before 1717 01:25:09,790 --> 01:25:08,109 you neither right okay yeah it was not 1718 01:25:12,250 --> 01:25:09,800 that important we have another call 1719 01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:12,260 coming in thank goodness actually it 1720 01:25:15,609 --> 01:25:13,489 looks like it's coming in from my home 1721 01:25:17,919 --> 01:25:15,619 state here right 1722 01:25:18,910 --> 01:25:17,929 hello welcome to the show and what's 1723 01:25:19,830 --> 01:25:18,920 your first name and where are you 1724 01:25:25,870 --> 01:25:19,840 calling from 1725 01:25:27,370 --> 01:25:25,880 dawn Dorion hey dawn how you doing so 1726 01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:27,380 we're in the same state by the way I 1727 01:25:32,169 --> 01:25:30,530 don't know if you know that I didn't 1728 01:25:35,649 --> 01:25:32,179 know that as I was watching this show 1729 01:25:37,300 --> 01:25:35,659 earlier yeah yeah how are you good you 1730 01:25:39,189 --> 01:25:37,310 know I still have snow here I don't know 1731 01:25:41,830 --> 01:25:39,199 where you're at and mean but I actually 1732 01:25:44,260 --> 01:25:41,840 have about in my backyard I have almost 1733 01:25:45,300 --> 01:25:44,270 a foot of snow still melting but I still 1734 01:25:48,750 --> 01:25:45,310 have it 1735 01:25:50,879 --> 01:25:48,760 I'm from the Turner area actually 1736 01:25:59,140 --> 01:25:50,889 Jason's have done a lot of my 1737 01:26:00,850 --> 01:25:59,150 photographs II got one of the cases in 1738 01:26:04,060 --> 01:26:00,860 the book oh really 1739 01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:04,070 yeah about that so do you have a 1740 01:26:09,970 --> 01:26:06,489 question we just want to talk about that 1741 01:26:15,850 --> 01:26:09,980 well yeah Jason has done some excellent 1742 01:26:18,790 --> 01:26:15,860 work many sightings over the years for 1743 01:26:21,209 --> 01:26:18,800 me and I must have been hard to pick 1744 01:26:25,089 --> 01:26:21,219 which one he was gonna put in the book 1745 01:26:28,300 --> 01:26:25,099 what did Jason yeah yeah I had some 1746 01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:28,310 incredible sightings like from Christmas 1747 01:26:34,390 --> 01:26:30,770 that Christmas footage where a crab 1748 01:26:41,470 --> 01:26:34,400 comes in and then white appears to be a 1749 01:26:48,939 --> 01:26:41,480 portal just so many different sightings 1750 01:26:51,399 --> 01:26:48,949 the one I put in the book was one first 1751 01:26:53,589 --> 01:26:51,409 impression when you look you think it's 1752 01:26:56,260 --> 01:26:53,599 like a bird or not when I've had them in 1753 01:26:58,629 --> 01:26:56,270 the past but it's not because when you 1754 01:27:00,250 --> 01:26:58,639 actually go into detail I don't know if 1755 01:27:05,709 --> 01:27:00,260 you've got photographs of it there it's 1756 01:27:07,500 --> 01:27:05,719 a bit more difficult some really amazing 1757 01:27:12,690 --> 01:27:07,510 sightings 1758 01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:12,700 now done Thank You Jill go ahead Don you 1759 01:27:18,900 --> 01:27:15,850 say you're from the Turner area I heard 1760 01:27:21,090 --> 01:27:18,910 there was someone rapid someone up a 1761 01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:21,100 long walk host that was getting a lot of 1762 01:27:31,260 --> 01:27:22,690 UFO photos are you familiar with who 1763 01:27:33,180 --> 01:27:31,270 that is off the coast any in Maine no 1764 01:27:35,190 --> 01:27:33,190 where no no I just heard there was some 1765 01:27:37,979 --> 01:27:35,200 gentleman up in Maine that was getting a 1766 01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:37,989 lot of UFO photos I just wondered if you 1767 01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:41,290 happen to know who that was I'm aware of 1768 01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:43,330 one that happen around Christmas time 1769 01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:49,210 but other than that yeah well do you 1770 01:27:52,710 --> 01:27:51,130 have a you actually have a question for 1771 01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:52,720 Jason or you just wanted to talk about 1772 01:27:57,660 --> 01:27:54,850 your your photos which is really I I 1773 01:28:01,020 --> 01:27:57,670 wouldn't want to congratulate Jason on 1774 01:28:04,050 --> 01:28:01,030 his book really work hard and if you 1775 01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:04,060 want an independent opinion Jason will 1776 01:28:10,050 --> 01:28:07,120 give you his true opinion on what your 1777 01:28:12,020 --> 01:28:10,060 photograph was video with that's great 1778 01:28:15,870 --> 01:28:12,030 so much for your hard work 1779 01:28:22,410 --> 01:28:15,880 yes I'm still don't thank you for the 1780 01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:22,420 call all right you too so you are you 1781 01:28:28,740 --> 01:28:24,850 obviously are very available for for 1782 01:28:30,750 --> 01:28:28,750 people to to contact yes 1783 01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:30,760 and how is one I can't remember I found 1784 01:28:37,170 --> 01:28:33,090 you on Facebook how does one find you 1785 01:28:42,390 --> 01:28:37,180 you generally do find me on Facebook you 1786 01:28:46,860 --> 01:28:44,580 I would think Instagram I think I've got 1787 01:28:50,190 --> 01:28:46,870 something gone there as well but yeah 1788 01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:50,200 I'm pretty approachable if if people 1789 01:28:56,790 --> 01:28:52,690 want something explaining in the 1790 01:28:59,430 --> 01:28:56,800 photograph you know I'll try my best to 1791 01:29:01,170 --> 01:28:59,440 analyze it for them and if you don't if 1792 01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:01,180 they want to bring their name forward 1793 01:29:07,050 --> 01:29:03,489 and they want me to post what they've 1794 01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:07,060 seen I'll quite willingly do that for 1795 01:29:12,690 --> 01:29:10,210 them but if they also want strict 1796 01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:12,700 confidence and what their name bringing 1797 01:29:17,430 --> 01:29:15,010 forward I'll respect that for them that 1798 01:29:21,030 --> 01:29:17,440 their wishes have been confidentiality 1799 01:29:23,370 --> 01:29:21,040 it's a it's quite a big thing you know 1800 01:29:26,820 --> 01:29:23,380 you lose the confidentiality and someone 1801 01:29:29,820 --> 01:29:26,830 who's trying to give an experience to 1802 01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:29,830 you then you know you've lost it really 1803 01:29:35,310 --> 01:29:32,880 so now how do you find do you find that 1804 01:29:37,380 --> 01:29:35,320 remaining about the same or do you think 1805 01:29:40,050 --> 01:29:37,390 that's loosened up a little bit where 1806 01:29:41,970 --> 01:29:40,060 people are actually afraid to say who 1807 01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:41,980 they are you know to be identified with 1808 01:29:46,350 --> 01:29:44,170 uh no it's definitely definitely 1809 01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:46,360 loosened up it's definitely become more 1810 01:29:52,590 --> 01:29:49,570 available and people aren't asked don't 1811 01:29:57,450 --> 01:29:52,600 really want when when they come forward 1812 01:30:00,930 --> 01:29:57,460 with a picture of a being or a craft 1813 01:30:03,510 --> 01:30:00,940 exception but did you want an answer 1814 01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:03,520 really and most people that actually 1815 01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:05,650 just say I don't really care what you do 1816 01:30:10,410 --> 01:30:07,810 with if you want to post it then that's 1817 01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:10,420 great other people say yeah you can post 1818 01:30:15,420 --> 01:30:12,850 it but I don't want my name forward on 1819 01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:15,430 anything to do with it I just wanted to 1820 01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:20,410 know what I'd see so yeah I just want to 1821 01:30:26,850 --> 01:30:22,410 help people out in that respect so 1822 01:30:30,350 --> 01:30:26,860 because I just I just see traits of way 1823 01:30:33,510 --> 01:30:30,360 back when I started in UF ology and 1824 01:30:36,630 --> 01:30:33,520 there was nobody really to turn to them 1825 01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:36,640 to actually you you have to pick a book 1826 01:30:43,140 --> 01:30:39,970 off you have to read and you go alive to 1827 01:30:45,210 --> 01:30:43,150 go to a library and the internet started 1828 01:30:47,100 --> 01:30:45,220 to come out and maybe you know I'll slow 1829 01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:47,110 the internet was when it first came out 1830 01:30:53,220 --> 01:30:50,290 with the old mobile yeah yeah and things 1831 01:30:56,460 --> 01:30:53,230 but you know things progressed and now 1832 01:31:00,530 --> 01:30:56,470 you do everything on you phone it's it's 1833 01:31:03,330 --> 01:31:00,540 it's amazing and we can all you know I 1834 01:31:06,050 --> 01:31:03,340 generally find if I go to a conference 1835 01:31:09,030 --> 01:31:06,060 or somewhere and then go what you speak 1836 01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:09,040 somebody will approach me with the story 1837 01:31:15,290 --> 01:31:12,850 or we saw this years ago or they want an 1838 01:31:17,910 --> 01:31:15,300 explanation of what they've seen and 1839 01:31:21,750 --> 01:31:17,920 after that's right you know help them 1840 01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:21,760 the best I can I know this particular 1841 01:31:26,910 --> 01:31:25,330 case does not have any photos involved 1842 01:31:29,070 --> 01:31:26,920 but I wanted to know if you followed it 1843 01:31:31,290 --> 01:31:29,080 because it's actually one of my favorite 1844 01:31:34,390 --> 01:31:31,300 cases in the UK and that's the Alderney 1845 01:31:37,390 --> 01:31:34,400 the channel crossing 1846 01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:37,400 oh okay see all of the Jersey with the 1847 01:31:42,729 --> 01:31:41,690 pilot right did you have none I mean 1848 01:31:45,399 --> 01:31:42,739 that's that's actually one of my 1849 01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:45,409 favorite cases because of the craft 1850 01:31:49,510 --> 01:31:47,330 itself is just so bizarre this big 1851 01:31:52,629 --> 01:31:49,520 yellow huge yellow thing and the 1852 01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:52,639 passengers everyone saw you know the 1853 01:32:01,990 --> 01:31:56,690 pilot being really credible witness 1854 01:32:04,270 --> 01:32:02,000 and the eye I can remember when I was 1855 01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:04,280 younger and he actually been on the UK 1856 01:32:09,490 --> 01:32:06,770 television it was on the we have a 1857 01:32:14,649 --> 01:32:09,500 morning TV show over here called this 1858 01:32:16,750 --> 01:32:14,659 morning we have the BBC obviously going 1859 01:32:19,990 --> 01:32:16,760 way back we only had three or four 1860 01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:20,000 channels not like in America we have all 1861 01:32:25,959 --> 01:32:22,489 the cable channels and so you either 1862 01:32:28,359 --> 01:32:25,969 watch the BBC or ITV oh but this this 1863 01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:28,369 show was called this morning on on the 1864 01:32:34,780 --> 01:32:31,730 ITV Network and I can remember the pilot 1865 01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:34,790 being interviewed on it and how give 1866 01:32:39,939 --> 01:32:37,489 giving out with what he'd seen and you 1867 01:32:42,669 --> 01:32:39,949 know it couldn't explain what he'd see 1868 01:32:45,550 --> 01:32:42,679 it's pretty amazing at the time of the 1869 01:32:48,129 --> 01:32:45,560 pilot actually coming forward and you 1870 01:32:50,649 --> 01:32:48,139 know saying what seemed and is 1871 01:32:52,810 --> 01:32:50,659 experience because when pilots do come 1872 01:32:55,930 --> 01:32:52,820 forward they got the risk of losing 1873 01:32:59,740 --> 01:32:55,940 their job that's exactly right and it 1874 01:33:02,830 --> 01:32:59,750 has happened and I I hope that I think 1875 01:33:04,780 --> 01:33:02,840 that will loosen up a little more you 1876 01:33:07,450 --> 01:33:04,790 know especially in the United States 1877 01:33:09,580 --> 01:33:07,460 after the Pentagon you know released 1878 01:33:11,879 --> 01:33:09,590 actually information that they've been 1879 01:33:15,100 --> 01:33:11,889 you know at least studying them for 1880 01:33:18,729 --> 01:33:15,110 possible unit you know it goes the gun 1881 01:33:22,899 --> 01:33:18,739 footage from to the Stars Academy is it 1882 01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:22,909 don't along yeah but the only thing when 1883 01:33:29,410 --> 01:33:26,810 that footage is come out I remember 1884 01:33:32,229 --> 01:33:29,420 seeing one of those that I think just 1885 01:33:35,709 --> 01:33:32,239 three videos up to now isn't a being out 1886 01:33:38,260 --> 01:33:35,719 yeah well there's the gimbal those are 1887 01:33:42,310 --> 01:33:38,270 the Nimitz and then there's the recent 1888 01:33:46,570 --> 01:33:42,320 one yeah one of them argument being 1889 01:33:48,550 --> 01:33:46,580 available 10 years plus ago and SIA at a 1890 01:33:51,670 --> 01:33:48,560 time that was a third 1891 01:33:53,650 --> 01:33:51,680 because I had a I had a pilot actually 1892 01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:53,660 talked to me that he actually remembers 1893 01:33:58,990 --> 01:33:55,850 seeing that in a briefing and it was a 1894 01:34:01,990 --> 01:33:59,000 really good case of a catch of how the 1895 01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:02,000 the camera caught the object and was 1896 01:34:08,260 --> 01:34:04,489 able to track it we have caught it it's 1897 01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:08,270 a good training but also I mean I did 1898 01:34:14,260 --> 01:34:10,370 bring this up a while ago when the 1899 01:34:16,090 --> 01:34:14,270 footage was being released whether 1900 01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:16,100 whether it's right or wrong whether you 1901 01:34:20,380 --> 01:34:17,450 believe they're doing it the right way 1902 01:34:23,500 --> 01:34:20,390 for disclosure etc and I do understand 1903 01:34:25,690 --> 01:34:23,510 the chain of you know where they bring 1904 01:34:29,380 --> 01:34:25,700 these things out they've got to be done 1905 01:34:32,140 --> 01:34:29,390 in a certain way and but actually on the 1906 01:34:34,990 --> 01:34:32,150 head-up display on the right hand side 1907 01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:35,000 you can see the word slave that has 1908 01:34:41,380 --> 01:34:37,370 broke down on the side of the right hand 1909 01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:41,390 side of the screen and it's just a 1910 01:34:47,860 --> 01:34:43,970 military term that I can remember and 1911 01:34:51,700 --> 01:34:47,870 another word for slave is drone okay and 1912 01:34:54,820 --> 01:34:51,710 I don't know I'm still unlike everybody 1913 01:34:58,270 --> 01:34:54,830 else I watch everything I watched 1914 01:35:01,210 --> 01:34:58,280 endless hours of YouTube and everything 1915 01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:01,220 to do a few ethology look at the good 1916 01:35:06,940 --> 01:35:04,090 the bad the ugly I watch everything and 1917 01:35:10,750 --> 01:35:06,950 I can remember when it came out and that 1918 01:35:12,729 --> 01:35:10,760 was the first thing I saw slave and the 1919 01:35:16,090 --> 01:35:12,739 first thing that came to my mind 1920 01:35:19,570 --> 01:35:16,100 drone no are they taking photographs oh 1921 01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:19,580 they take footage of drones and I'm 1922 01:35:25,300 --> 01:35:22,850 talking advanced drones not you know the 1923 01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:25,310 type of things we see flying around and 1924 01:35:31,990 --> 01:35:29,570 you could buy yourself way advanced so I 1925 01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:32,000 thought that was just a little alarm 1926 01:35:36,040 --> 01:35:35,450 bell for me but you know we'll see what 1927 01:35:38,860 --> 01:35:36,050 happens 1928 01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:38,870 actually I will get a question I will 1929 01:35:46,660 --> 01:35:41,770 get that question to a lizand Oh 1930 01:35:48,850 --> 01:35:46,670 who you know represented the you know 1931 01:35:50,490 --> 01:35:48,860 the program I will get that question to 1932 01:35:55,270 --> 01:35:50,500 him and find out what he has to say 1933 01:35:58,540 --> 01:35:55,280 that'd be interesting yeah and I will I 1934 01:36:01,240 --> 01:35:58,550 will let you know because I would like 1935 01:36:02,049 --> 01:36:01,250 to know because actually after I heard 1936 01:36:04,509 --> 01:36:02,059 that that 1937 01:36:07,209 --> 01:36:04,519 video was seen in training you know in a 1938 01:36:10,869 --> 01:36:07,219 debriefing or briefing whatever it was 1939 01:36:13,540 --> 01:36:10,879 yeah you know I thought wow so this is 1940 01:36:17,079 --> 01:36:13,550 not such a big this particular video is 1941 01:36:20,409 --> 01:36:17,089 not such a big deal basically no no and 1942 01:36:22,329 --> 01:36:20,419 also the footage when it starts to come 1943 01:36:24,369 --> 01:36:22,339 out more and more which they're saying 1944 01:36:25,659 --> 01:36:24,379 they've got really good footage it's 1945 01:36:27,459 --> 01:36:25,669 gonna be coming out yeah 1946 01:36:32,399 --> 01:36:27,469 it's gonna it's gonna have to start 1947 01:36:35,859 --> 01:36:32,409 coming out better big only the fact that 1948 01:36:38,229 --> 01:36:35,869 some of the footage we've seen now it's 1949 01:36:41,020 --> 01:36:38,239 not something you really sit up and go 1950 01:36:43,449 --> 01:36:41,030 oh you do you wonder what the craft is 1951 01:36:46,509 --> 01:36:43,459 but you also when they say they're 1952 01:36:49,299 --> 01:36:46,519 tracking UFOs and etc you would expect 1953 01:36:52,959 --> 01:36:49,309 it to be of a higher quality and things 1954 01:36:56,829 --> 01:36:52,969 like that so yeah I think they've got to 1955 01:37:01,540 --> 01:36:56,839 start stepping it up a bit if there's a 1956 01:37:02,889 --> 01:37:01,550 possible I heard initially and it may 1957 01:37:05,469 --> 01:37:02,899 have been through Georgian app that 1958 01:37:08,349 --> 01:37:05,479 there was actually 12 videos in total 1959 01:37:10,659 --> 01:37:08,359 that could be available but I don't know 1960 01:37:13,659 --> 01:37:10,669 if that's actually I don't have any 1961 01:37:16,989 --> 01:37:13,669 confirmation of that and I also have 1962 01:37:18,879 --> 01:37:16,999 been speaking with communicating with 1963 01:37:21,339 --> 01:37:18,889 Ralph Blumenthal he was one of the 1964 01:37:23,349 --> 01:37:21,349 co-authors of that New York Times 1965 01:37:27,339 --> 01:37:23,359 article along with Leslie Kane and I 1966 01:37:30,699 --> 01:37:27,349 forget the other author he says is more 1967 01:37:32,770 --> 01:37:30,709 coming out and stay tuned you know so I 1968 01:37:34,389 --> 01:37:32,780 think like every few months we're going 1969 01:37:36,489 --> 01:37:34,399 to get a little bit of this and that 1970 01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:36,499 basically they kind of keep the story 1971 01:37:40,389 --> 01:37:38,449 alive and which i think is a good thing 1972 01:37:41,709 --> 01:37:40,399 because yeah i think you know people 1973 01:37:45,489 --> 01:37:41,719 take it more seriously 1974 01:37:46,839 --> 01:37:45,499 overall I also think the footage sure 1975 01:37:49,239 --> 01:37:46,849 has been released 1976 01:37:52,689 --> 01:37:49,249 it's not made the impact they probably 1977 01:37:56,079 --> 01:37:52,699 thought it would do more the fact people 1978 01:37:58,419 --> 01:37:56,089 have being a bit blase about it really 1979 01:38:00,520 --> 01:37:58,429 when the footage is out and they're just 1980 01:38:03,609 --> 01:38:00,530 waiting for the next footage to come out 1981 01:38:07,569 --> 01:38:03,619 the next piece of information and that's 1982 01:38:12,219 --> 01:38:07,579 like old hack now and like you said the 1983 01:38:14,409 --> 01:38:12,229 possibly twelve maybe more clips that 1984 01:38:15,010 --> 01:38:14,419 are going to come out the only any other 1985 01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:15,020 critters 1986 01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:17,930 really I've got with it they give you 1987 01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:20,570 the the snippets of footage they want 1988 01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:22,610 you to see they don't give you the 1989 01:38:27,730 --> 01:38:25,370 overall where they they first come in 1990 01:38:31,060 --> 01:38:27,740 contact with the object and also where 1991 01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:31,070 they lose the convey the object-- so I 1992 01:38:39,430 --> 01:38:33,890 think if they could give a bigger clip 1993 01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:39,440 to everybody in UF ology especially it'd 1994 01:38:46,930 --> 01:38:42,370 be better now from what I understand 1995 01:38:48,730 --> 01:38:46,940 they are giving what is unclassified in 1996 01:38:50,950 --> 01:38:48,740 other words there are parts of the film 1997 01:38:53,380 --> 01:38:50,960 that is still classified that they're 1998 01:38:55,510 --> 01:38:53,390 not going to release that's what I 1999 01:38:58,180 --> 01:38:55,520 that's what I've understood understood 2000 01:39:00,550 --> 01:38:58,190 through Alejandro Rojas so it helps out 2001 01:39:04,300 --> 01:39:00,560 with this show that's what he found out 2002 01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:04,310 so this is like secondhand through him 2003 01:39:08,500 --> 01:39:06,890 but what I understand some of it is just 2004 01:39:12,540 --> 01:39:08,510 plain classified and can't be released 2005 01:39:15,430 --> 01:39:12,550 why that is why would it be I mean that 2006 01:39:17,830 --> 01:39:15,440 is there yeah I mean there could be some 2007 01:39:20,410 --> 01:39:17,840 reasons that I just can't think of the 2008 01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:20,420 reason it's still classified but maybe 2009 01:39:25,900 --> 01:39:23,530 it shows some type of military 2010 01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:25,910 technology or something that they don't 2011 01:39:29,230 --> 01:39:26,930 want to release 2012 01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:29,240 no oh what's one of the craft shutdown 2013 01:39:32,830 --> 01:39:32,330 or was one of the aircraft shot yeah or 2014 01:39:36,940 --> 01:39:32,840 shot at 2015 01:39:38,610 --> 01:39:36,950 yeah star wars yeah so we are open for 2016 01:39:42,130 --> 01:39:38,620 calls if anyone wants to give a call 2017 01:39:43,780 --> 01:39:42,140 meanwhile and let's let's talk about 2018 01:39:46,510 --> 01:39:43,790 some other cases in the book you 2019 01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:46,520 mentioned the ones that are your 2020 01:39:50,170 --> 01:39:47,530 favorite 2021 01:39:52,810 --> 01:39:50,180 how about ones that are there any like 2022 01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:52,820 really bizarre ones that you can think 2023 01:40:02,380 --> 01:39:55,610 of I really like the weird stories 2024 01:40:06,130 --> 01:40:02,390 myself does the famous one book of the 2025 01:40:08,230 --> 01:40:06,140 late late latest sort of famous case 2026 01:40:11,070 --> 01:40:08,240 released again I got through Philip 2027 01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:11,080 mantel originally was the the China Lake 2028 01:40:17,830 --> 01:40:15,650 UFO yes but it was the metallic disc 2029 01:40:20,290 --> 01:40:17,840 that was shown over the the desert 2030 01:40:21,100 --> 01:40:20,300 scenery you know and you've got the 2031 01:40:24,940 --> 01:40:21,110 helicoptering 2032 01:40:26,170 --> 01:40:24,950 in shot as well that's that that that 2033 01:40:27,340 --> 01:40:26,180 was one of those too good to be true 2034 01:40:29,910 --> 01:40:27,350 ones wasn't it 2035 01:40:34,470 --> 01:40:29,920 yeah yeah 2036 01:40:36,610 --> 01:40:34,480 but then is that like the million dollar 2037 01:40:40,330 --> 01:40:36,620 photograph that you want you know you 2038 01:40:44,500 --> 01:40:40,340 want the more military whether it's a 2039 01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:44,510 back engineered craft and the person 2040 01:40:53,950 --> 01:40:49,970 that took the photographs of it just 2041 01:40:57,250 --> 01:40:53,960 basically took it over re-engineered UFO 2042 01:41:00,700 --> 01:40:57,260 craft whatever you don't want to come up 2043 01:41:03,130 --> 01:41:00,710 with in relation to how it got but the 2044 01:41:08,230 --> 01:41:03,140 good thing about it was more the fact 2045 01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:08,240 that they move it over to the other way 2046 01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:10,730 there you go yeah you can see there the 2047 01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:13,370 disc obviously that yeah and it's quite 2048 01:41:18,460 --> 01:41:15,410 it's quite good because there's about 2049 01:41:23,050 --> 01:41:18,470 six separate photographs they've also 2050 01:41:25,510 --> 01:41:23,060 got the cloud the the scenery and I've 2051 01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:25,520 actually overlaid different you can see 2052 01:41:31,660 --> 01:41:29,690 the helicopter in the shot yeah and so 2053 01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:31,670 you know that there's quite a few 2054 01:41:38,650 --> 01:41:33,890 they're the original photographs and 2055 01:41:43,230 --> 01:41:38,660 then I've actually overlaid two in the 2056 01:41:50,590 --> 01:41:47,230 there you can see that's to two separate 2057 01:41:53,230 --> 01:41:50,600 photographs overlaid to each other which 2058 01:41:55,990 --> 01:41:53,240 prove that the object is moved further 2059 01:42:00,490 --> 01:41:56,000 than away and has also moved in relation 2060 01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:00,500 to the other photograph so and then also 2061 01:42:05,110 --> 01:42:02,930 on that you with the analyze you can see 2062 01:42:08,260 --> 01:42:05,120 the reflection of the desert underneath 2063 01:42:11,620 --> 01:42:08,270 the metallic craft and if you go off 2064 01:42:14,950 --> 01:42:11,630 what the witnesses said you know where 2065 01:42:19,090 --> 01:42:14,960 the base it was a test base things would 2066 01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:19,100 have been tested there it was one of 2067 01:42:25,060 --> 01:42:22,250 those intriguing cases really now did 2068 01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:25,070 you collaborate with anyone you know 2069 01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:27,290 work with anyone in any of these you 2070 01:42:33,820 --> 01:42:30,770 know contact someone that was working on 2071 01:42:36,540 --> 01:42:33,830 it or anything like that no no the case 2072 01:42:39,430 --> 01:42:36,550 I got were all through Philip and 2073 01:42:42,140 --> 01:42:39,440 obviously I wrote initially I actually 2074 01:42:45,110 --> 01:42:42,150 wrote a piece for the 2075 01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:45,120 to live into magazine which is in the UK 2076 01:42:51,979 --> 01:42:49,890 and did a proper analysis of of the the 2077 01:42:55,910 --> 01:42:51,989 photographs and then of write-up of it 2078 01:42:59,000 --> 01:42:55,920 and what I actually thought and the 2079 01:43:02,120 --> 01:42:59,010 findings and then we took the details 2080 01:43:05,540 --> 01:43:02,130 here of what the the person has actually 2081 01:43:07,939 --> 01:43:05,550 wrote himself can put that into the book 2082 01:43:09,620 --> 01:43:07,949 with the analysis of the photographs and 2083 01:43:13,010 --> 01:43:09,630 I just thought it was a really good one 2084 01:43:15,169 --> 01:43:13,020 to put in the book to show people you 2085 01:43:18,050 --> 01:43:15,179 know you can get a decent quality 2086 01:43:20,959 --> 01:43:18,060 photograph I mean also you could you 2087 01:43:24,979 --> 01:43:20,969 could also go back and say with billy 2088 01:43:28,850 --> 01:43:24,989 meier with his photographs how good they 2089 01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:28,860 were me people do say you fake he's 2090 01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:32,610 produced fake photographs I personally 2091 01:43:38,390 --> 01:43:35,370 think they're real and later on at some 2092 01:43:40,399 --> 01:43:38,400 point I will do a real in-depth analysis 2093 01:43:45,260 --> 01:43:40,409 of the photographs I've already done a 2094 01:43:48,919 --> 01:43:45,270 couple of videos and things etc I did 2095 01:43:51,590 --> 01:43:48,929 actually do one photograph an obscure 2096 01:43:56,360 --> 01:43:51,600 photograph not one of his more known 2097 01:44:00,010 --> 01:43:56,370 where it was taken when he go out and 2098 01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:00,020 actually see the craft or have his and 2099 01:44:08,180 --> 01:44:04,530 experiences with the bean ship etc the 2100 01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:08,190 military used to actually both the UFO 2101 01:44:14,810 --> 01:44:10,080 know whether they picked it up on you on 2102 01:44:17,780 --> 01:44:14,820 radar excetera I don't but you can see 2103 01:44:21,740 --> 01:44:17,790 the outline of the military aircraft so 2104 01:44:25,370 --> 01:44:21,750 I did an analysis of that photograph and 2105 01:44:27,649 --> 01:44:25,380 it was us I think it was a Saab or the 2106 01:44:29,899 --> 01:44:27,659 the actual military aircraft used at the 2107 01:44:32,780 --> 01:44:29,909 time and I actually identified the 2108 01:44:36,620 --> 01:44:32,790 military aircraft as being a positive ID 2109 01:44:39,500 --> 01:44:36,630 of the the type used of that time period 2110 01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:39,510 and you know it when it flown directly 2111 01:44:44,689 --> 01:44:44,130 over the the disc-shaped craft in in the 2112 01:44:47,689 --> 01:44:44,699 shot 2113 01:44:49,399 --> 01:44:47,699 I personally I'm gonna have to disagree 2114 01:44:51,500 --> 01:44:49,409 with you and billy meier i'm sorry yeah 2115 01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:51,510 say that yeah i personally think that 2116 01:44:57,680 --> 01:44:55,530 you know maybe he did have an experience 2117 01:44:59,900 --> 01:44:57,690 I I would say that he probably may have 2118 01:45:02,660 --> 01:44:59,910 had some type of real experience but 2119 01:45:04,940 --> 01:45:02,670 there's been so many cases where you 2120 01:45:06,380 --> 01:45:04,950 know they've found the fishing line on 2121 01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:06,390 the one that you know moves back and 2122 01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:10,410 forth there's also I forget what they 2123 01:45:17,050 --> 01:45:14,970 call a like a bonsai tree oh yes a 2124 01:45:21,140 --> 01:45:17,060 miniature tree yes the miniature tree 2125 01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:21,150 then there's the garbage can lids that 2126 01:45:26,180 --> 01:45:23,730 you know there's there's so many to me 2127 01:45:29,540 --> 01:45:26,190 if if someone's going 2128 01:45:31,730 --> 01:45:29,550 if someone fakes one single craft I 2129 01:45:34,430 --> 01:45:31,740 don't trust any of them I mean that's 2130 01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:34,440 just the way I am I mean yeah I'm an 2131 01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:36,690 appraiser for art fine art and it's like 2132 01:45:40,370 --> 01:45:38,610 if I find a fake painting in a house I 2133 01:45:43,700 --> 01:45:40,380 don't trust all the other people just 2134 01:45:47,650 --> 01:45:43,710 you know no I can't help it yeah but 2135 01:45:49,850 --> 01:45:47,660 anyway I just hope it's not a futile 2136 01:45:52,430 --> 01:45:49,860 experience for you to do all that work 2137 01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:52,440 for now no we're not 2138 01:46:00,080 --> 01:45:56,970 now I'll do really it a lot of it is 2139 01:46:02,720 --> 01:46:00,090 again for myself really because I want 2140 01:46:06,740 --> 01:46:02,730 to know if it's real or not just like 2141 01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:06,750 everybody else does and I do say and 2142 01:46:12,740 --> 01:46:09,090 I've said it numerous times that are no 2143 01:46:15,440 --> 01:46:12,750 expert in UF ology we're all trying to 2144 01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:15,450 find the answers the truth of yeah 2145 01:46:20,660 --> 01:46:17,370 whatever whether some of these had an 2146 01:46:24,440 --> 01:46:20,670 experience himself or not you know it's 2147 01:46:28,340 --> 01:46:24,450 so beautiful I don't find any research 2148 01:46:31,250 --> 01:46:28,350 as being futile and and trying to find 2149 01:46:33,650 --> 01:46:31,260 because you know you get into the truth 2150 01:46:37,970 --> 01:46:33,660 really oh I think I'm trying to get to 2151 01:46:40,460 --> 01:46:37,980 the truth and then you know some 2152 01:46:45,230 --> 01:46:40,470 photographs I will analyze it will take 2153 01:46:47,540 --> 01:46:45,240 a long time and a lot of my time to to 2154 01:46:51,110 --> 01:46:47,550 analyze them and then find at the ends 2155 01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:51,120 that they just tail off and they don't 2156 01:46:56,780 --> 01:46:54,330 really give you anything back and you do 2157 01:46:59,420 --> 01:46:56,790 find that not necessarily a fate but 2158 01:47:02,450 --> 01:46:59,430 there's something else explained to the 2159 01:47:04,610 --> 01:47:02,460 photograph and when I did one the other 2160 01:47:06,940 --> 01:47:04,620 night I don't know the guy wants to give 2161 01:47:09,320 --> 01:47:06,950 his name so I won't say his name and 2162 01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:09,330 there's a location in 2163 01:47:17,270 --> 01:47:13,050 the states he sent me a couple of images 2164 01:47:19,700 --> 01:47:17,280 of a basically like a boomerang shaped 2165 01:47:24,140 --> 01:47:19,710 object in the distance and he said he 2166 01:47:30,340 --> 01:47:24,150 was driving in his truck along and took 2167 01:47:33,740 --> 01:47:30,350 the images consecutively out of the side 2168 01:47:36,620 --> 01:47:33,750 window of his truck of this object in 2169 01:47:39,500 --> 01:47:36,630 the distance it's moved you can see it 2170 01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:39,510 moved in different locations over the 2171 01:47:48,050 --> 01:47:43,050 different photographs when I analyzed 2172 01:47:50,750 --> 01:47:48,060 the footage in more detail you could see 2173 01:47:54,200 --> 01:47:50,760 actually on the leading edge of the 2174 01:47:55,850 --> 01:47:54,210 boomerang shape to it the more you got 2175 01:48:01,190 --> 01:47:55,860 into the object itself 2176 01:48:03,110 --> 01:48:01,200 and enhanced that the object first of 2177 01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:03,120 all they up scaled the photograph which 2178 01:48:07,280 --> 01:48:05,370 brought the detail or and then I'll go 2179 01:48:09,410 --> 01:48:07,290 in and analyze the photograph but when I 2180 01:48:12,020 --> 01:48:09,420 actually looked at it you could see a 2181 01:48:15,950 --> 01:48:12,030 staggered edge to the leading edge of 2182 01:48:18,410 --> 01:48:15,960 the wings so I obviously went into the 2183 01:48:21,440 --> 01:48:18,420 Internet and have a good look at stealth 2184 01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:21,450 aircraft and the beat b-2 bomber I think 2185 01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:24,690 it was and when I actually put them 2186 01:48:32,030 --> 01:48:27,930 side-by-side but that's obviously what 2187 01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:32,040 it was well so I sent it back to him and 2188 01:48:36,020 --> 01:48:34,290 again if it's stealth and it's at the 2189 01:48:38,330 --> 01:48:36,030 distance away from where he took the 2190 01:48:40,790 --> 01:48:38,340 photograph you're not gonna hear the 2191 01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:40,800 engine sounds you're not gonna hear I'm 2192 01:48:45,050 --> 01:48:42,330 gonna don't have anybody else has ever 2193 01:48:47,780 --> 01:48:45,060 been to an airshow where they go and see 2194 01:48:50,420 --> 01:48:47,790 military aircraft and generally when the 2195 01:48:52,850 --> 01:48:50,430 aircraft is the first thing you know of 2196 01:48:55,250 --> 01:48:52,860 the aircraft passing you is is that 2197 01:48:57,470 --> 01:48:55,260 you'll see the aircraft fly overhead and 2198 01:48:58,160 --> 01:48:57,480 then you hear the roar at the end right 2199 01:49:01,130 --> 01:48:58,170 afterwards 2200 01:49:04,010 --> 01:49:01,140 yeah so anything from a distance you're 2201 01:49:07,370 --> 01:49:04,020 not gonna probably hear anything so you 2202 01:49:09,110 --> 01:49:07,380 can drill that out to such oh he was 2203 01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:09,120 quite okay when I told him what I 2204 01:49:13,220 --> 01:49:11,610 thought it was he wasn't you know you 2205 01:49:15,650 --> 01:49:13,230 know he sort of took it on the chin and 2206 01:49:18,710 --> 01:49:15,660 well at least I know what it is now and 2207 01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:18,720 yeah you know you know so I do get an 2208 01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:20,730 awful lot of photographs and I do get to 2209 01:49:23,220 --> 01:49:22,650 the bottom of a lot of them and a lot of 2210 01:49:28,530 --> 01:49:23,230 them are 2211 01:49:30,930 --> 01:49:28,540 the birds or unidentified so again it's 2212 01:49:33,870 --> 01:49:30,940 whether it's what that person wants to 2213 01:49:36,360 --> 01:49:33,880 hear you know some people wanna won't 2214 01:49:39,660 --> 01:49:36,370 want to hear that they've seen a UFO and 2215 01:49:41,160 --> 01:49:39,670 that's the end of it so yeah that's true 2216 01:49:43,470 --> 01:49:41,170 and you can't convince them otherwise 2217 01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:43,480 that's good I'm glad that guy had that 2218 01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:45,730 reaction it's good to hear it's actually 2219 01:49:51,120 --> 01:49:48,010 good to hear that you know it's funny I 2220 01:49:53,940 --> 01:49:51,130 was contacted by the History Channel a 2221 01:49:56,570 --> 01:49:53,950 few about three weeks ago and they said 2222 01:50:02,820 --> 01:49:56,580 they wanted to know if I knew any 2223 01:50:07,200 --> 01:50:02,830 quote-unquote UFO experts in the New 2224 01:50:08,910 --> 01:50:07,210 York City area area so what I wrote them 2225 01:50:11,190 --> 01:50:08,920 back and said give me a call and so the 2226 01:50:13,710 --> 01:50:11,200 woman you know the casting agent called 2227 01:50:15,510 --> 01:50:13,720 me I actually gave her Lee Spiegel's 2228 01:50:18,540 --> 01:50:15,520 name and I hope hope he's up there gonna 2229 01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:18,550 be filming them this week actually but 2230 01:50:23,340 --> 01:50:20,770 anyway I said here's someone that knows 2231 01:50:28,790 --> 01:50:23,350 about UFOs but please you know know this 2232 01:50:35,490 --> 01:50:28,800 is no such thing as a UFO expert and no 2233 01:50:37,530 --> 01:50:35,500 she was good at it though so we have we 2234 01:50:39,120 --> 01:50:37,540 have about 10 minutes left we can take 2235 01:50:41,940 --> 01:50:39,130 calls for another five minutes if anyone 2236 01:50:44,250 --> 01:50:41,950 else wants to give us a ring here I'll 2237 01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:44,260 try to look at the chat room if there's 2238 01:50:48,210 --> 01:50:46,570 any questions that someone wants to post 2239 01:50:52,229 --> 01:50:48,220 on there for our guests instead of 2240 01:50:57,300 --> 01:50:52,239 calling in go right ahead and do that as 2241 01:50:59,100 --> 01:50:57,310 far as other historic photos I know you 2242 01:51:01,380 --> 01:50:59,110 said you did one about every 10 years 2243 01:51:02,970 --> 01:51:01,390 where there are some like second place 2244 01:51:06,180 --> 01:51:02,980 ones that you really wanted to put in 2245 01:51:09,090 --> 01:51:06,190 this book that you looked into and you 2246 01:51:12,600 --> 01:51:09,100 had to make a decision yeah there was 2247 01:51:15,440 --> 01:51:12,610 quite a few and I'll pay I wanted to 2248 01:51:18,450 --> 01:51:15,450 really call other experiences because 2249 01:51:20,520 --> 01:51:18,460 things have not just happened to me my 2250 01:51:27,420 --> 01:51:20,530 father's had experience as well he's 2251 01:51:30,330 --> 01:51:27,430 ex-military he had basically it was a 2252 01:51:32,070 --> 01:51:30,340 man in black who actually appeared a 2253 01:51:37,190 --> 01:51:32,080 walk through his front door when he was 2254 01:51:39,830 --> 01:51:37,200 a young child and again he only 2255 01:51:42,140 --> 01:51:39,840 he told me about it when I started 2256 01:51:44,360 --> 01:51:42,150 getting into ufology and I'm talking 2257 01:51:46,780 --> 01:51:44,370 about these type of things and obviously 2258 01:51:51,350 --> 01:51:46,790 men in black come up a lot 2259 01:51:53,090 --> 01:51:51,360 and I've actually done an illustration I 2260 01:51:55,130 --> 01:51:53,100 wanted to put stuff like that in the 2261 01:51:57,080 --> 01:51:55,140 book book it was more difficult because 2262 01:51:58,550 --> 01:51:57,090 this book was going to be more of a 2263 01:52:02,480 --> 01:51:58,560 layman terms 2264 01:52:05,120 --> 01:52:02,490 DIY UFO book if you know I mean so I 2265 01:52:08,630 --> 01:52:05,130 might put them in the next book book the 2266 01:52:11,060 --> 01:52:08,640 the the account that happened to him he 2267 01:52:16,160 --> 01:52:11,070 was playing as a young child in in this 2268 01:52:18,290 --> 01:52:16,170 house in Liverpool again my relatives 2269 01:52:20,740 --> 01:52:18,300 were in the other room and this is 2270 01:52:23,960 --> 01:52:20,750 before television so the other radio 2271 01:52:26,060 --> 01:52:23,970 playing in the front room and he'd be 2272 01:52:29,150 --> 01:52:26,070 playing in the hallway and he said he 2273 01:52:30,290 --> 01:52:29,160 got to the hallway looked up towards the 2274 01:52:33,800 --> 01:52:30,300 front door 2275 01:52:36,440 --> 01:52:33,810 and he said as he looked up he said a 2276 01:52:39,850 --> 01:52:36,450 Tall Dark Stranger walked through the 2277 01:52:43,160 --> 01:52:39,860 front door and stood in front of him 2278 01:52:45,260 --> 01:52:43,170 obviously he panicked and ran back into 2279 01:52:47,660 --> 01:52:45,270 the front variable way to tell my 2280 01:52:49,400 --> 01:52:47,670 relatives what had happened and they 2281 01:52:51,770 --> 01:52:49,410 just poo pooed in and said no no that 2282 01:52:53,510 --> 01:52:51,780 didn't happen them do you know when he 2283 01:52:58,550 --> 01:52:53,520 went back and peered through the door he 2284 01:53:01,550 --> 01:52:58,560 said the Tall Dark Stranger whatever it 2285 01:53:03,710 --> 01:53:01,560 was back into him to walk up the stairs 2286 01:53:06,650 --> 01:53:03,720 and following up the stairs where he 2287 01:53:09,350 --> 01:53:06,660 went off and that was the end of it and 2288 01:53:11,720 --> 01:53:09,360 went over the couple of years I've tried 2289 01:53:14,990 --> 01:53:11,730 to talk to my father more about it and 2290 01:53:20,510 --> 01:53:15,000 bring out you know more detail so I 2291 01:53:22,910 --> 01:53:20,520 could do an illustration it was baited 2292 01:53:25,720 --> 01:53:22,920 that the guy was working wearing a dark 2293 01:53:30,260 --> 01:53:25,730 suit with a tie and a white shirt and 2294 01:53:34,610 --> 01:53:30,270 like a trilby hat so all the hallmarks 2295 01:53:35,960 --> 01:53:34,620 of men in black and that's something 2296 01:53:38,540 --> 01:53:35,970 yeah that's yes 2297 01:53:42,890 --> 01:53:38,550 I think I did a show partly on that 2298 01:53:45,940 --> 01:53:42,900 maybe with Nick Redfern I believe but 2299 01:53:50,170 --> 01:53:45,950 yeah there's some there's some strange 2300 01:53:52,270 --> 01:53:50,180 encounters you know I mean it 2301 01:53:54,670 --> 01:53:52,280 at first you know when I first heard men 2302 01:53:56,230 --> 01:53:54,680 in black I'm thinking oh the movie but 2303 01:53:58,960 --> 01:53:56,240 then I didn't realize the movie was made 2304 01:54:03,430 --> 01:53:58,970 after you know the accounts of men and 2305 01:54:05,140 --> 01:54:03,440 and black and but one of the stories I 2306 01:54:08,010 --> 01:54:05,150 mean they had some bizarre stories they 2307 01:54:11,380 --> 01:54:08,020 showing up in these old vintage cars and 2308 01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:11,390 one like had a car in a cornfield that 2309 01:54:14,740 --> 01:54:13,010 disappeared did you ever hear I mean 2310 01:54:17,200 --> 01:54:14,750 there's so many bizarre stories when it 2311 01:54:20,380 --> 01:54:17,210 comes to the minute this yeah I'm the 2312 01:54:22,510 --> 01:54:20,390 the children with black eyes and oh yeah 2313 01:54:24,520 --> 01:54:22,520 people have said they've knocked on the 2314 01:54:27,370 --> 01:54:24,530 door and they wouldn't open the door to 2315 01:54:29,620 --> 01:54:27,380 it and all to do with experiences and 2316 01:54:32,560 --> 01:54:29,630 people have told me things as well and 2317 01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:32,570 confidence and that there's other things 2318 01:54:38,500 --> 01:54:34,610 that have happened to me I wanted 2319 01:54:43,180 --> 01:54:38,510 another in experience it happened to 2320 01:54:47,730 --> 01:54:43,190 myself in the Air Force when I used to 2321 01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:47,740 be stationed on a nuclear base in the UK 2322 01:54:53,380 --> 01:54:51,650 path long story short everybody who went 2323 01:54:56,290 --> 01:54:53,390 on the base had to do this 2324 01:54:59,440 --> 01:54:56,300 guard duty which is a rapid response 2325 01:55:01,870 --> 01:54:59,450 team so you would be called out any time 2326 01:55:06,730 --> 01:55:01,880 of day or night to an incident that 2327 01:55:09,630 --> 01:55:06,740 happened during those couple of weeks 2328 01:55:12,820 --> 01:55:09,640 you did this duty you would have a 2329 01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:12,830 training drill where you'd be called out 2330 01:55:17,500 --> 01:55:14,810 day or night you don't know when it's 2331 01:55:20,230 --> 01:55:17,510 going to be you get the sirens and 2332 01:55:22,870 --> 01:55:20,240 everything can you dog n24 ton of trucks 2333 01:55:26,110 --> 01:55:22,880 and all be drove and up to the silos 2334 01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:26,120 where the the missiles and exception 2335 01:55:33,340 --> 01:55:29,930 ordnance were kept and the bay were all 2336 01:55:37,660 --> 01:55:33,350 typical what you'd expect it to be with 2337 01:55:40,030 --> 01:55:37,670 the large fences around and the towers 2338 01:55:42,910 --> 01:55:40,040 with the armed guards in the deep it's 2339 01:55:46,660 --> 01:55:42,920 just exactly like that and as you go 2340 01:55:49,300 --> 01:55:46,670 into the you're all coming off the truck 2341 01:55:53,200 --> 01:55:49,310 so you're all put into like a squad room 2342 01:55:55,750 --> 01:55:53,210 ready to go in as you go into the the 2343 01:55:58,930 --> 01:55:55,760 different separate gates as you get 2344 01:56:02,080 --> 01:55:58,940 deeper into the compounds you're all 2345 01:56:04,180 --> 01:56:02,090 tagged in so you're given the tag to go 2346 01:56:06,070 --> 01:56:04,190 in there and then when you all 2347 01:56:08,260 --> 01:56:06,080 come out you tagged out and you give the 2348 01:56:10,440 --> 01:56:08,270 tag back and everybody knows who's in 2349 01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:10,450 who's out and it's all quite simple 2350 01:56:16,060 --> 01:56:13,010 Rekha member is all going into this 2351 01:56:18,100 --> 01:56:16,070 compound I remember us all coming out of 2352 01:56:21,220 --> 01:56:18,110 the compound and as we came out we had 2353 01:56:25,750 --> 01:56:21,230 an extra guy with us and none of us knew 2354 01:56:28,660 --> 01:56:25,760 who this person was he was pinned to the 2355 01:56:30,700 --> 01:56:28,670 ground with all the rifles etc put to 2356 01:56:34,030 --> 01:56:30,710 his head and we were all whisked off and 2357 01:56:35,970 --> 01:56:34,040 I was young and stupid at the time and I 2358 01:56:39,250 --> 01:56:35,980 never thought anything else of it and 2359 01:56:42,640 --> 01:56:39,260 it's just another weird thing that 2360 01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:42,650 happens you know right we only have like 2361 01:56:47,050 --> 01:56:45,010 two minutes left but I question that 2362 01:56:49,090 --> 01:56:47,060 always comes up when I talk to people 2363 01:56:51,550 --> 01:56:49,100 from a different country or a lot of 2364 01:56:53,830 --> 01:56:51,560 times it does anyway is what is a 2365 01:56:58,060 --> 01:56:53,840 situation with the so called 2366 01:57:01,030 --> 01:56:58,070 experiencers of abductees in the UK as 2367 01:57:02,860 --> 01:57:01,040 far as you know it's very active in the 2368 01:57:06,730 --> 01:57:02,870 United States and I just wondered what 2369 01:57:10,180 --> 01:57:06,740 it was like there you know that is in 2370 01:57:11,620 --> 01:57:10,190 people contacting no place as in people 2371 01:57:14,650 --> 01:57:11,630 that are claiming they're they're 2372 01:57:18,190 --> 01:57:14,660 getting abducted oh it's always been 2373 01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:18,200 quite high and yeah I get a lot of 2374 01:57:24,040 --> 01:57:21,050 people from all over the world who 2375 01:57:28,780 --> 01:57:24,050 contact media regarding it you know the 2376 01:57:32,290 --> 01:57:28,790 greys etc you know and and you know it I 2377 01:57:35,530 --> 01:57:32,300 just think it's quite a big well it's a 2378 01:57:37,630 --> 01:57:35,540 problem or not but there's an awful lot 2379 01:57:41,050 --> 01:57:37,640 of people out there that that come 2380 01:57:43,450 --> 01:57:41,060 forward and a lot of people don't want 2381 01:57:46,870 --> 01:57:43,460 want their names you know obviously 2382 01:57:50,560 --> 01:57:46,880 bringing up or related to it because you 2383 01:57:55,330 --> 01:57:50,570 know people think they're weird or you 2384 01:57:57,820 --> 01:57:55,340 know yeah the nuts and and it the stigma 2385 01:58:01,270 --> 01:57:57,830 is still there but if you've got 2386 01:58:03,310 --> 01:58:01,280 somebody you can talk to or I can put it 2387 01:58:06,250 --> 01:58:03,320 generally somebody will contact me with 2388 01:58:09,130 --> 01:58:06,260 that sort of a problem and no experts 2389 01:58:12,190 --> 01:58:09,140 I'm not a professional person who can 2390 01:58:13,560 --> 01:58:12,200 help them in those problems so I can I 2391 01:58:18,020 --> 01:58:13,570 can point them in the right direction 2392 01:58:20,120 --> 01:58:18,030 which is probably more than they have 2393 01:58:22,700 --> 01:58:20,130 before they didn't know who to turn to 2394 01:58:24,650 --> 01:58:22,710 where to turn to books if they could go 2395 01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:24,660 and speak to somebody else who's been in 2396 01:58:29,930 --> 01:58:26,970 the same Bohol had the same experiences 2397 01:58:32,510 --> 01:58:29,940 then I feel like I've helped them out in 2398 01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:32,520 that respect I'm sure you have well 2399 01:58:37,700 --> 01:58:36,090 thank you so much and that was a real 2400 01:58:40,760 --> 01:58:37,710 good night I enjoyed speaking to you 2401 01:58:43,370 --> 01:58:40,770 very much right yeah and good luck with 2402 01:58:47,030 --> 01:58:43,380 your next book to whenever I decide to 2403 01:58:49,490 --> 01:58:47,040 do that yeah all right all right take 2404 01:58:52,490 --> 01:58:49,500 care thank you yeah all right 2405 01:58:55,130 --> 01:58:52,500 have a good night well I know bye all 2406 01:58:57,260 --> 01:58:55,140 right everyone so that's it for that's 2407 01:59:00,980 --> 01:58:57,270 it for the show and remember if you're a 2408 01:59:03,590 --> 01:59:00,990 YouTube listener watcher whatever I will 2409 01:59:06,740 --> 01:59:03,600 be simulcasting something on this Sunday 2410 01:59:08,390 --> 01:59:06,750 night at round 9 9:00 p.m. Eastern 2411 01:59:11,630 --> 01:59:08,400 Standard Time so check that out if you'd 2412 01:59:19,220 --> 01:59:11,640 like next week we're going to be here 2413 01:59:23,180 --> 01:59:19,230 with Jane Kyle and Jane is is Texas 2414 01:59:27,380 --> 01:59:23,190 she's involved in Texas UFOs so that 2415 01:59:28,930 --> 01:59:27,390 should be good and enjoyable and that's 2416 01:59:32,090 --> 01:59:28,940 the first time I'll have her on the show 2417 01:59:33,890 --> 01:59:32,100 and I want to thank you if you're 2418 01:59:36,770 --> 01:59:33,900 listening to this and you support the 2419 01:59:39,650 --> 01:59:36,780 show thanks for listening over on the 2420 01:59:41,650 --> 01:59:39,660 Dark Matter digital network as well also 2421 01:59:45,410 --> 01:59:41,660 I want to thank our guests of course 2422 01:59:48,800 --> 01:59:45,420 Jason Gleaves I want to thank Evan for 2423 01:59:51,710 --> 01:59:48,810 helping us out with the show work live 2424 01:59:54,170 --> 01:59:51,720 show work and Peggy for helping with the 2425 01:59:55,760 --> 01:59:54,180 Facebook page and that's it everyone 2426 01:59:58,090 --> 01:59:55,770 thanks so much remember to keep your 2427 02:00:03,300 --> 01:59:58,100 eyes to the sky